Angry Harry On The Nicholas Bartha Case

Angry Harry is a well-known father's rights activist. Father's rightsters look up to him. He has also come out in support of what Nicholas Bartha has done. Bartha had blown up his home rather than let his ex-wife have it. He died after the blast. According to fathers' rights activists like Angry Harry, until the court system bends to father's rights demands, more men will blow up buildings and more men will do things like stab their wives to death and shoot judges (referring to the Darren Mack case). Please note the threat in this statement of his: "And I would also point out that what he did is something that people can expect a lot more of in the future - thanks to the growing men's movement - unless something is done to bring back fairness into the system." He also recites a likely fictitious encounter with two women's activists to prove his point.

Here is what Angry Harry had to say about the case on a fathers' rights forum that will go unnamed.

Feminists usually attempt to exonerate even women who commit acts of premeditated murder; e.g. "She was defending herself."

And the notion that all aggressing women are, in fact, victims (usually the victims of men) has been accepted in the law, the therapy room etc etc. and even into the minds of the population.

My view is that we need to do the same for men such as this cardiologist.

To condemn him is to hold back our progress.

In other words, I disagree with [deletia's] slant on this. This cardiologist is not a single, lone man. He is not an isolated individual. And my guess is that for every man who does such a tragic thing, there will be 10,000 who got close to doing the same.

Thus, if I was debating this matter with other people, I would most certainly ***not*** say, "Oh well. He is just a single, isolated man. Please do not tar all of us with the same brush."

I would do the very opposite.

And I would also point out that what he did is something that people can expect a lot more of in the future - thanks to the growing men's movement - unless something is done to bring back fairness into the system.

A few years ago, following a murder-suicide by a deranged father, here in the UK. I found myself in a conversation with a woman editor of a woman's magazine, her assitant and a few others. They were using this murder-suicide as an example of men's violent nature etc etc etc. Needless to say, they were condemning him outright; whereas, of course, I was thinking more along the lines of this poor sod who had lost all hope of staying with his home and family as a result of some court decision. I was thinking about how impossible it was going to be to discuss this point of view both reasonably and politely, given the overtly hostile nature of these two women. And so I blurted out the following.

"If someone took away my children from me, I would blow their brains out."

An immediate silence descended on the whole pompous group. "Yep. That's what I would do, " I added somewhat resignedly.

There was still no answer from anyone; so I raised my glass and walked away.

I had won.

And I can tell you without reservation that if more 'men' stood up and said, "If someone takes away **my** children, I will blow their brains out," we would win this war against this evil system a lot more quickly.

There is more below the fold.

Hello [deletia]

Yes, I understand your point of view on this matter. But, in my view, the emphasis in your first post was too much in the direction of encouraging men to disassociate themselves from people like Darren Mack, and not enough encouragement to do the opposite.

You even went so far as to say, ...

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Here we have a man (singular noun!) who did an appalling thing
for which he, and he alone, will suffer due retribution.

... which is not quite true, is it? It is not he, alone, who will suffer some kind of retribution.

After all, our 'enemies' will simply use the Darren Macks of this world to tighten the rope around ***all*** men; some way, some how.

And if men actually dissociate themselves from the Darren Macks, then the rope will get even tighter - because, presumably, no 'men' would complain about this. After all, they are not like Darren Mack!

Indeed, one of the main reasons why the rope has grown so tight over the years is precisely because men have dissociated themselves from men who are having serious problems.

My emphasis is different.

"Yep; on the face of it; from the little that I know thus far, I think that I am like Darren Mack, or I might turn into being like him given the circumstances that he seems to have endured."

That sort of thing.

And I do not actually care what our enemies might think of this particular attitude.

Nor do I care how they might try to use it against me; because, in fact, they would actually lose out by trying to use it against me.

As I said in my first post: When I simply blurted out that I would blow out the brains out of anyone who took away my children, I actually 'won'. There was no need for any further explanation. Even the feminists knew that they could not argue meaningfully with this point of view, and, further, they knew intuitively that it was not in their interests to pursue it.

Now, I am not suggesting that most men would, or should, feel the same way as I do. Not at all. But the fact of the matter is this. The more that men identify with the very serious problems that some men face, and, also, with their **reactions** to these problems, the stronger will the men's movement grow.

And if, in fact, many MRAs were, indeed, actually cheering on the likes of Darren Mack then while I, myself, would not join in such cheering, it does not follow that such cheering would harm the men's movement.

Indeed, the more 'aggressive' that the movement becomes, the greater will be its power.

I think that the difference between our point of view is very small, and it seems to manifest itself, for example, in the irritation that you demonstrate when feminists 'lump all men together'. Well, of course, I experience this irritation too. But I suspect that I am more inclined than you to allow them to lump us together, and simply to respond to them by saying, for example, ...

"Yep, You're right. That's exactly what we men are like. Myself included. Many of us get violent when people try to take our children away."

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Hello [deletia]

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I get uneasy though at the possibility of the suggested rhetoric becoming reality. Rhetoric has a way of becoming reality.

Well, I feel uneasy too.

Nevertheless, my feelings would be as I described them - murderous - and I see no reason to hide this fact. I am not urging anyone else to have such feelings, I am merely expressing my own.

Of course, I do realise that this automatically endorses a certain - and unhappy - point of view. But this is not going to stop me from saying how I feel about things!

Men have been silent for far too long. They have been too fearful to say how they really feel about what is going on out there. And I want the floodgates opened. I want men talking openly and often about how they feel.

Furthermore, amongst other horrible things, thousands of men commit suicide every year thanks to what goes on in the family courts - and elsewhere. But I do not see the feminists, the government or the judges getting too upset over what happens to these men. On the contrary, they continue to hurt them - and to kill them. And thus, as such, I am not going to weep over the demise of any official who finds himself on the receiving end of violence from someone whom he has harmed and who has no decent legal method of protecting himself from those who are harming him. Their injuries would be sleight compared to the harm that they, themselves, are inflicting on others.

Our societies and, indeed, our countries are being destroyed by these people. And they are forcing racial and cultural suicide pills down our throats through their greedy self-serving ambition and their never-ending quest to destroy people's close relationships. These vultures are forever seeking to thrive on the disharmony that they cause.

And the only thing that exonerates them in my mind is their ignorance.

Furthermore, specifically with regard to inflaming violence by expressing my own particular feelings or, indeed, my points of view, I must point out in my defence that I do not hide what I am saying or doing. On the contrary, I seem to spend most of my life doing my best to alert the powers-that-be to the very hostile point of view that I, and others, have.

As such - and given that it is ***they*** who have all the power in these matters - the onus is on **them** to deal with the problem that I, and others, are presenting them with.

Now, most of you will probably think, Yikes, Angry Harry, they might be pushed too far - and do horrible things; like close down our websites - or arrest us.

But you would be wrong.

They have NO HOPE of stopping this movement.

NONE.

And so they WILL accommodate to our point of view

This is not the animal rights movement, or the pro-life movement; this is something truly enormous. Something that will eventually reach into the hearts and minds of half the population. And because they have no way of stopping this, I am fairly confident that they will end up doing the right thing.

But they CANNOT do the right thing if they cannot hear us nor see how angry we are over certain matters.

In other words, I am doing them - and everyone else - a favour!

After all, forewarned is forearmed!

I won't give a link to his web site (why give him more traffic), but I thought my readers would like to hear what Angry Harry had to say about abused women. Here are his hateful comments:

Returning To Abuse Women victims of domestic violence often go straight from one abusive relationship to another, a study has suggested.

Well, I have not actually seen the research, but I would bet the few remaining teeth residing in the crickety old bones that were once the fine jaws of my increasingly-crotchety old missus that it did not focus too heavily on some highly interesting possibilities that would explain why it is that so many women seem to seek out abuse.

Well, the truth, of course, is that they love it!

Women just love the idea of being abused.

They seek it here. They seek it there. They seek it almost everywhere!

Well. Not all of them, of course. But enough to account many times over for all those phony abuse figures that are forever being vomited into the ether by those who profit from their toxins.

His proof? He claims women like books and soap operas where women are being assaulted. He claims that being assaulted and being raped are "one of their most popular sexual fantasies". He claims women flock to violent men, and that they provoke 'abuse' (his quotes) beacuse it makes them feel 'loved' (his quotes). He also claims that women were "designed by Nature to find aggressive men attractive". He claims that women seek out abuse. He blames some abused women for having "certain personality and/or hormonal disorders" that make them seek out abuse.

What baloney!

It's a good thing to expose ugly misogyny like this so that everyone can see what the fathers' rights movement really thinks of women.