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June 23, 2006
Woman-Hating Is Alive And Well On The Internet
Update: Glenn Sacks admitted that plenty of fathers' rights activists have "problems". In his newsletter, he wrote "Darren Mack was angered by his divorce and custody case. Some on the not insubstantial lunatic fringe of the fathers' rights movement see Mack as some sort of freedom fighter. Most of the commentary by other fathers' rights advocates seem to be of the "he couldn't take it any more and snapped" variety." He sait it himself. He admitted that there is a "not insubstantial lunatic fringe". "Not insubstantial" means SUBSTANTIAL. There is a SUBSTANTIAL number of fathers' rights activists who condone ahborrent behavior like that. This isn't the first time they've made such statements. Just look to the Lowell Jaks kidnapping case. Jaks is the head of the Alliance For Noncustodial Parent's Rights. Fathers' rights activists cheered Jaks when he fled with his child. Just look at my "Lowell Jaks/ANCPR" category on my sidebar to see all of their statements. I recorded them.
These guys are not a "lunatic fringe". Those angry comments come from most fathers' rights activists, not a lunatic fringe. Sacks knows I'm right. Those men are the kinds who speak about fathers' rights on Internet forums. It's not the first time they've blamed "the system" and their ex-wives for men murdering their wives, murdering their children, attacking court personnel, and men committing suicide. These aren't poor disenfranchised dads who can't see their children. Lots of men are angered by their divorce and custody cases. They don't stab their ex wives to death. Fathers' rights activists blame "the system" and ex-wives when men do things like that. They are angry and violent men who lash out when they don't see their demands met. The men who condone this behavior are no "lunatic fringe". They are mainstream fathers' rights activists. And he speaks for them. He will have to account for that.
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The woman-hating comments continue after Darren Mack has been captured while hiding out in Mexico. One fathers' rights activist has tried to tap-dance around the comments posted all over the internet in support of Darren Mack. Why won't this guy accept that these are the men that make up the bulk of the fathers' rights movement? I know that he had to post something in his latest newsletter because the Darren Mack case made the national news, but he danced around how fathers' rights activists have been acting. They've endorsed the murder of a woman and shooting of a judge, all in the name of bringing attention to the supposedly alleged court bias that is out there against fathers.
Glenn Sacks, you know what I'm taking about. I usually don't address Glenn Sacks, but this time it's necessary. You wrote that "Whenever a divorced dad has done something crazy and I refuse to make excuses for him, certain misguided individuals get mad at me, call me a wimpy moderate, a sellout, etc. Often the fact that I have never been divorced or dealt with the family law system in my personal life is cited as the reason that I 'just don't get it.'" I've been through the court system myself, but it wasn't nearly as bad as other mothers I've seen. I retained sole custody. I even won a moveaway. You have to acknowledge that a lot of men in the fathers' rights movement have evil things to say about mothers, and they've made their voices known. They've certainly made their opinions known about Darren Mack murdering his wife and shooting the judge who heard his divorce case. I've documented their statements on my blog. Other bloggers have done the same thing.
Dean Tong had represented Darren Mack, and he danced around how he just didn't know Mack would react to his case my murdering his wife and shooting the judge who heard his case. After all, Tong had breakfast with Mack. They're close friends by now. Why not address that aspect of the case? Tong is a major fathers' rights proponent who is well known for providing help for men who claim they have been falsely accused of domestic violence and child abuse, especially child sexual abuse. He even has his own business, called "The Abuse Excuse". The title says it all. Why not bring him up, and denounce what he does because of the Darren Mack case? I know you read my blog. You've seen what I've written about Tong.
You just can't pretend that most fathers' rights activists only want to do right by their children. Not when men at fathers' rights forums say things like the bitch deserved what she got, and that Darren Mack is a hero. That's something you are going to have to deal with. You cited David Chick as a hero. How is a man who had harassed his sister-in-law to force her to give him access to her children a hero? He had called her a "sick child abuser" in public, including in comments supposedly from him on my blog. Someone claiming to be Chick, and I have no reason to believe he wasn't Chick, posted on my blog, and said that his sister-in-law was a "sick child abuser". What kind of dad could he possibly be? Not a good one. He had also blocked her car and made obscene gestures at her. How is a man like that a good role model for children? I know that David Chick had a restraining order placed against himself. That's why he has had no access to his children. The men in Fathers 4 Justice were not poor, disenfranchised dads who could not see their children because their vindictive ex's wouldn't let them see them. They had histories that were not good. The press had documented those abusive histories. Why would you continue to support men like that if you want to help good fathers? You'll have to continue to write backpedaling articles like the one you wrote about Darren Mack when you see how fathers' rights activists and supporters condone murdering your spouse and shooting a judge if you keep catering to the fathers' rights movement.
Glenn, if you really want to help fathers, help the ones who really want to do right by their children. Stop representing the ones who lash out at murder victims, support men who stab their wives to death, and claim that the restraining orders against them were "false allegations". Do something to really help the dads who are scared and confused by divorce proceedings. Help them learn to be good and active fathers while they are married, and to not demand a "divorce-bed conversion" when they divorce. For many men, the first time they have any contact with the legal system is during a divorce. It's scary and confusing as hell. You could provide a great service for them. Leave the abusers and malcontents by the curb. They don't deserve any help.
Here are more supportive comments about Darren Mack from the Yahoo message boards. These guys condone what Mack had done, and they blame his wife for her own murder. How is that supportive of fathers' rights? Oh, yeah, I forgot. Fathers are "routinely kept from their children by biased family courts." When dads "crack", as kidnapper Lowell Jaks of ANCPR has said, they're going to do things like murder their wives, their children, and shoot whoever pisses them off. The message is clear. Do what these guys demand, or the bitch dies.
http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37138445&tid=apcourthouseshooting&sid=37138445&mid=61662
MACK IS A FAILURE!
by: motaloca 06/23/06 02:41 pm
Msg: 61662 of 61677
How could he have such bad aim?
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http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37138445&tid=apcourthouseshooting&sid=37138445&mid=61525
REMEMBER WHEN YOU COULD RUN TO MEX
by: realist1100 06/23/06 11:51 am
Msg: 61525 of 61681
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It's depressing when you think if shit goes completely wrong and you go postal, that the option of running to Mexico is gone. No more crossing the border, ordering beer & tacos and meeting a beautiful Mexican girl the first day in your new life as a Mexican. It's really a sad day. Damn Nafta.
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http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37138445&tid=apcourthouseshooting&sid=37138445&mid=61526
Re: DIVORCED MEN ARE FAILURES
by: iblack14020 (F/NY) 06/23/06 11:51 am
Msg: 61526 of 61682
That's why their wives dumped them. They are failures as providers and failures at being fathers. Women do not want losers in their children's lives.
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Re: FATHERS ARE SUPERFLUOUS
by: Frank735 (45/M/Northern New Jersey) 06/23/06 11:52 am
Msg: 61527 of 61683
I bet you and I have a lot in common, we both love pussy.
And I detest man haters.
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Re: DIVORCED MEN ARE FAILURES
by: going_deep99 (37/M/Semper Fidelis, USA) 06/23/06 11:51 am
Msg: 61523 of 61685
Well, if his wife was a snake, I'd say he took care of the problem
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http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37138445&tid=apcourthouseshooting&sid=37138445&mid=61538
This what happened to greedy women
by: iseeubad 06/23/06 11:57 am
Msg: 61538 of 61685
When a gold digger married and rich man, she thought she hit a jackpot until she found herself death.
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http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37138445&tid=apcourthouseshooting&sid=37138445&mid=61518
All the money in the world cant replace
by: bobdylan313 06/23/06 11:49 am
Msg: 61518 of 61685
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your kids being unfairly taken from fathers lives
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http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37138445&tid=apcourthouseshooting&sid=37138445&mid=61504
FATHERS ARE SUPERFLUOUS
by: iblack14020 (F/NY) 06/23/06 11:45 am
Msg: 61504 of 61685
And DANGEROUS:
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/fathers/
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http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37138445&tid=apcourthouseshooting&sid=37138445&mid=61500
You will see more and more of this unti
by: bobdylan313 06/23/06 11:44 am
Msg: 61500 of 61685
until fathers are treated equally in divorces
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http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37138445&tid=apcourthouseshooting&sid=37138445&mid=61496
TIME TO CHANGE DIVORCE LAWS
by: monty2132 (39/M) 06/23/06 11:43 am
Msg: 61496 of 61685
Obviously that bitch got more than she deserved, and he was willing to give it all up to "reverse" the court's decision. The system is broken.
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http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37138445&tid=apcourthouseshooting&sid=37138445&mid=61497
Fathers are second class citizens
by: bobdylan313 06/23/06 11:44 am
Msg: 61497 of 61685
the courts are evil
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One more dead CUNT
by: bobdylan313 06/23/06 11:46 am
Msg: 61507 of 61685
yessss
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Hire OJ's Law Team
by: ikekrull (37/M) 06/23/06 11:39 am
Msg: 61479 of 61685
If OJ can cut his wifes head off and get away with it, why not this guy?
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Guess She Won't Be Getting Any Alimony!
by: rancherfromhell 06/23/06 11:27 am
Msg: 61437 of 61686
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Posted on June 23, 2006 at 04:03 PM | Permalink
Comments
I've seen these on the internet, too. Sometimes I'm tempted to comment, but what's the point of getting into a pissing match with wacked out people who get off on busting heads, brag about rape, "getting the bitch" and so forth? More than one dumb female has felt sorry for these poor "misunderstood" guys, only to find herself having to take out a restraining order herself. I've seen women who style themselves as "moderates" pleading with these guys to curb it just a little, pretty please. And it just doesn't happen. They call any woman--even if she's heterosexual and generally friendly to the men in her life and most and men in general--a "manhater" if she doesn't lick the boots of every petty-assed criminal out there who demands it. That you're somehow a "manhater" when you don't want to cater to sexual molesters and wife beaters. If you point out that on the contrary, that they seem to be the ones obsessed with hatred and violence, and they just don't get it.
Posted by: silverside at Jun 23, 2006 11:17:57 PM
Glenn Sacks is a moral bankrupt. His position on rape alone is enough to put him beyond the pale. He promulgates phony statistics showing that a huge percentage of rape accusations are false -- statistics that have been debunked countless times. Yet he's on the radio and in his newsletter, pushing the notion that women who 'cry rape' are liars. Whenever a rape case is in the spotlight, his readers come out in full force citing his bullshit.
Now, we all know that rape is common and underreported. We all know (because the DOJ has been reporting this for years) that the rate of false accusations in rape is no higher than the rate in other major crimes -- probably somewhere around 4%, if I remember correctly. We all know that historically rape victims have had enormous difficulty getting justice, because of sexist notions about "she asked for it" and "she was wearing a short skirt" and so on. And this battle is far from being won, as we see every time a rape case is in the news.
Yet here we have someone -- Glenn Sacks -- who seems personally devoted to protecting rapists and making it harder for rape victims to get justice. He does this, of course, by pushing those bogus statistics and sexist stereotypes. What can we think about a person like that? Why would anyone want to make it easier for rapists to get away with their crimes? Why would anyone want to make it even harder for rape victims to get justice?
It's not possible that he doesn't know his so-called statistics are bogus, unless he is mentally defective. If he's read on the subject, then he knows he's pushing lies. He also knows he's pushing stereotypes that hurt victims.
Of course he says he is against violence and would never condone rape. His supporters love to cite that -- "Glenn has never condoned violence!" Well, what else would he say? His game instead is to pretend that rape isn't happening. It's like a Southern senator in the 1920s saying that of course he opposes lynching, but that fortunately lynching never happens in his state. That's Sacks's game exactly.
In fact, that's the game of all modern racists and sexists:
Of course I'm against racial discrimination! But fortunately it doesn't happen!
Of course I'm against sexual discrimination! But fortunately it doesn't happen!
Of course I'm against wife-beating! But fortunately it doesn't happen!
Of course I'm against rape! But fortunately it doesn't happen!
That's why every time I see Sacks described as "personable," I blanche. I don't care how shiny his smile is. Look at what he's actually doing.
Posted by: Violet Socks at Jun 24, 2006 1:58:51 PM
The point being that women do lie about being raped that is a fact. Ask any Police Officer.
Posted by: Fraud at Jun 24, 2006 2:24:27 PM
I also can never understand how women list their number one sexual fantasy as being raped.
Posted by: Fraud at Jun 24, 2006 4:21:44 PM
men lie about rape more. Forget that little fact?
That's because it's too complicated for your little brain. Rape fantasies arent about actual rape. Do you even know what books are?
Your stupid hurts my head.
Posted by: pheeno at Jun 24, 2006 4:29:32 PM
The only reason your head hurts is because you have a problem with reality.
Rape for a lot of women is a fantisy that they eventually turn into reality.
Being a victim for a lot of women is a badge of honour.
Posted by: Fraud at Jun 24, 2006 4:34:37 PM
Is being stupid yours?
You wear it like it is.
Posted by: pheeno at Jun 24, 2006 4:35:34 PM
I have no idea what you mean but there again neither do you.
Posted by: Fraud at Jun 24, 2006 4:44:17 PM
I'll break it down for you sloooowly
is. being. stupid. your. badge.
because. you. wear. it. like. it. is.
Posted by: pheeno at Jun 24, 2006 4:53:05 PM
Yeah I might fuck you but that's only because I feel sorry for you.
Posted by: Fraud at Jun 24, 2006 5:08:59 PM
I couldn't be less excited by you if I were dead.
I haven't figured out yet if you're the scrawny geek type who can't get laid to save his life...or the fat soon to be bald guy who can't get laid to save his life.
Posted by: pheeno at Jun 24, 2006 5:53:37 PM
I cannot believe you are quoting KNOWN YAHOO TROLLS in this thread. I am a well-known Yahoo troll as well; the comments you are including as serious commentary are just trolls attempting to garner recs. I do it all the time. Look for me - I'm
been_to_5_psych_hospitals
wanda_for_malefeasant_values
brokebackbushbot
contrarymary
mr_white_the_obscure_american
the_wife_from_7/11
etc. etc.
In fact, I think I'll devote a thread to you:
TRISH WILSON CAN'T GET LAID
Posted by: eightdozenroses at Jun 24, 2006 7:10:59 PM
eightdozenroses, SYG female apologist: (assuming you're not a man posing as a woman): "TRISH WILSON CAN'T GET LAID"
My husband would disagree very much with you about that.
Posted by: The Countess at Jun 24, 2006 7:28:48 PM
Don't confuse them with logic Trish...none of them understand how to form a logical arguement and they don't recognize a logical rebuttal.
Sad really. They teach this shit in high school, you think something would have sunk in.
Posted by: pheeno at Jun 24, 2006 7:32:20 PM
You're optomistic, it's kind of touching. Then again, considering the SYG losers, well...
Posted by: ginmar at Jun 24, 2006 7:38:09 PM
pheeno, there is a picture of the SYG folks in the antonym section of the definition for "logic".
Ginmar, I'm having a blast making fun of the cretins at SYG. They sure give me plenty of material to work with.
Posted by: The Countess at Jun 24, 2006 7:42:31 PM
Plus, if they are Internet trolls (which I doubt), they have no qualms about mocking a woman who had been stabbed to death by her husband. There is something really sick about that.
Posted by: The Countess at Jun 24, 2006 7:44:14 PM
"Plus, if they are Internet trolls (which I doubt), they have no qualms about mocking a woman who had been stabbed to death by her husband. There is something really sick about that."
Well if that actually is the case then it doesn't surprise because after all it's your typical feminist who mocks the male plight from one extreme to the other. I also have no problem whatsoever with anyone trying to condone and justify his behaviour. After all this is what feminists do day after week after year and it is sick but hey when in Rome.
As the saying goes what goes around comes around.
Posted by: Fraud at Jun 25, 2006 4:54:51 AM
"pheeno, there is a picture of the SYG folks in the antonym section of the definition for "logic".
Ginmar, I'm having a blast making fun of the cretins at SYG. They sure give me plenty of material to work with."
Thinking logically about it how comes it's you and maninga man that have got money problems? Surely, logically in your mind if you are so superior why are you such a loser?
Anybody would think you've been nominated for an Emmy the you portray yourself but the reality is one poxy little blog and some chocolate cocks for all those years of experience. lol
Posted by: Fraud at Jun 25, 2006 5:02:37 AM
Trish, I am asking you to take me seriously for a moment. I really, really know the Yahoo message board trolls quite well. That one guy, bobdylan, he's not as prolific as many, so I can't say for sure he's a Yahoo troll, but the others - trust me on this one. Yahoo trolls. If they're not putting blacks, women, Asians, Mexicans, etc. down,they are azzraping corpses. I'm sorry, but every time someone dies, the Yahoo trolls feel compelled to rape the corpse. And if you think that the trolls are only men, you are seriously mistaken. Some of the best trolls (including myself) are women.
There are a few websites dedicated to Yahoo trolls where everyone comes out and admits it's all only for laughs.
Not everyone is out to get you. Some of us just like to relax by insulting others anonymously on line.
Posted by: eightdozenroses at Jun 25, 2006 6:11:54 AM
PS That said, I take the MRM movement very seriously. VERY seriously. I don't troll men's rights sites and I'd never troll a LEGITIMATE site unless invited to do so by the owner. You have said you will tolerate us then ban us. So be it.
This ain't trolling, anyway. So your azz is safe with me.
Posted by: eightdozenroses at Jun 25, 2006 6:13:47 AM
As far as fraud's comment goes, yes, it seems sick but to someone, it was funny.
You're not understanding the culture there. Yes, it takes a while to get used to. But once you're on to it, you just go with the flow.
Posted by: eightdozenroses at Jun 25, 2006 6:17:52 AM
"Ginmar, I'm having a blast making fun of the cretins at SYG. They sure give me plenty of material to work with."
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Right here, you admit that making fun of others can be fun. OK, in your your case, you really suck at it, but I recognized three of the trolls in this thread immediately. So is this going to once again be another example of how you and your cronies are not willing to listen to the experetise and experience of others? Not that it matters. I'm right and I know I'm right. I haven't wasted countless hours trolling on Yahoo for nothing, you know.
As far as you "making fun", I'd tell you not to quit your day job, but alas! You don't have one, do you?
Now THIS is trolling, ladies and gentlemen:
TRISH WILSON gives BJs to her LANDLORD in lieu of PAYING RENT on her trailer.
Fact.
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TRISH WILSON just PMed ME and OFFERED me $3 in her MOMMY'S FOOD STAMPS for GAY CYBER SEX!
Fact.
Posted by: eightdozenroses at Jun 25, 2006 7:35:40 AM
Wow, eightdozenroses, you've totally convinced me you're not a sick fuck. Except not.
Trish, you know why they're so brave, don't they? Becuase in real life t hey'd neer say this shit or do squat about it. How funny.
Posted by: ginmar at Jun 25, 2006 8:14:37 AM
I know, Ginmar. They are cowards who like to blather on blog comments, Usenet boards, and mailing lists because they can hide safely in their parent's basements, surrounded by empty bags of Cheetos. They'd never act like this if they had to confront people in public. They're cowards. If they want to waste hours of their time trolling on the Internet, let them. It's their lives they're wasting, not mine.
Posted by: The Countess at Jun 25, 2006 10:48:42 AM
To be honest, I think the trolls are rather silly. They're amusing on a lazy weekend. When I get bored with them, I'll deal with them at my leisure. For now, they're providing endless hours of entertainment. ;)
Posted by: The Countess at Jun 25, 2006 10:53:51 AM
Oh man. You REALLY need to go back to trolling 101. Like, all the way back to when it was bait.org.
Because your examples are kindergarden variety and let's face it, boring with no creativity AT ALL.
I take it back Trish. You don't get good trolls. You get the lame ones that don't know what the fuck they're doing.
Posted by: pheeno at Jun 25, 2006 11:08:50 AM
Pheeno, is there such a thing as a good troll? Every troll I've ever seen acts like a 14 year old boy blathering trash all over the Internet.
Posted by: The Countess at Jun 25, 2006 11:18:55 AM
There's such a thing as a talented troll.
Some people can elevate it to an art form. The trick of talented trolling is to get responses either a)without them figuring out you're a troll or b) to continue even after you've stated you're trolling them.
A monkey can troll the way roses does.
Posted by: pheeno at Jun 25, 2006 11:29:52 AM
Pheeno: "A monkey can troll the way roses does."
Hah hah! You just reminded me of that quip "a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters...", but we don't end up with the complete works of Shakespeare. We end up with blight from Roses.
Posted by: The Countess at Jun 25, 2006 11:41:21 AM
Yep. Who then join yahoo troll groups who think they're subversive, when in reality no self respecting troll would lower themselves to. It's kiddie troll. And they think what they're doing is NEW. It's been around since 95. At least.
Posted by: pheeno at Jun 25, 2006 12:38:21 PM
Anytime Ginmar.. anytime you pathetic excuse for a zygot incubator.
TMOTS
Posted by: TheManOnTheStreet at Jun 25, 2006 1:46:17 PM
Sigh.
I refuse to throw any more of my pearls before green swine.
Buh-bye, ladies. I wish I could say it's been fun, but it hasn't even been mildly amusing. You girls don't even rate as mild irritants. You are less than nothing.
Jealousy is so third grade. Grow the fuck up.
Posted by: eightdozenroses at Jun 25, 2006 7:05:33 PM
I don't have the time, patience or interest to read all of this, however your focussing of the spotlight on Yahoo Trolls here can have positive outcomes for you. Having discovered your little blog entry, I feel it is my duty as a troll to link this entry to several message boards to ensure your continued ridicule. This reminds me of one of my favorite trolling escapades of all time...
See above link.
Poor Gustavo Arellano... he never lived it down.
Posted by: Jehovah S. Witness at Jun 26, 2006 6:43:38 PM
Holy shit, Jehovah S. Witness, how the HELL did you find this? I know exactly who you are - you are one good troll.
For the record, I did not invite him here. Although the thought did cross my mind, I would never encourage anyone to troll a legitimate site (such as this one is). But it's out of my hands now.
You go, Jehovah! And bring libsrfags and torture4dummies along with you as well.
Posted by: eightdozenroses at Jun 26, 2006 7:26:26 PM
On second thought, scrap torture4dummies. She's a lib, and she'd probably agree with this femini shit. Invite arthurpendragon and - hmmmm, let's see - mr_white_the_secure_american, that odious no good - god, what's his name? The one who jacks off on liberals' salads? And that skanky board owner of trollwars. And, of course, uobeseloads.
I have a parody profile of him - it's uobesetoads.
Posted by: eightdozenroses at Jun 26, 2006 7:30:28 PM
Gee, look, another SYG loser. Yawn.
Posted by: ginmar at Jun 26, 2006 9:40:17 PM
Look, another one of Hugo's trolls.
Oh, and they're not the lunatic fringe of the whole movement: they're the whole carpet.
Posted by: ginmar at Jun 26, 2006 9:44:44 PM
Oh noes!!
Yahoo trolls!
Now we'll have to read such WITTY comments such as
u r teh suxxor!
or
gheye!
If the caliber of trolls isnt any better than what Ive seen to date, Trish has fuck all to worry about.
oh and here's another hint
don't post a paragraph about how uniterested you are. It contradicts your words quite obviously. God, I gotta start a trolling 101 for these kids.
Posted by: pheeno at Jun 27, 2006 12:13:05 AM
Though I do have to admit...back in the day (mid to late 90's) it was entertaining as hell to go to yahoo and fuck with the morons. (and lets face it, if you frequent yahoo, you're a moron)
Going into the xtian chat as paki_stan and singing jesus doesnt want me for a sunbeam...
good times.
Posted by: pheeno at Jun 27, 2006 12:21:43 AM
I never went to Yahoo to read the trolls. I used to read them at Usenet in the mid '90s. Remember Usenet Kook Of The Month? From what you say, Pheeno, the trolls haven't changed one bit in ten years. ;)
Posted by: The Countess at Jun 27, 2006 6:18:29 AM
Pheeno, I just found a FOURTH thread at SYG where the guys are ranting about me. I ended my troll-baiting yesterday, but they haven't stopped ranting about me yet. That's funny.
The new thread was started by Terri Stoddard, a. k. a. feminist4fathers. She's full-blown fathers' rights. There are plenty of women in the fathers' rights movement, mostly second wives of the guys in the movement. Terri is just a FR cheerleader. She used to bash me at Blogcritics. For some reason, she's obsessed with me. I banned her from commenting on my blog a long time ago because I got bored with her personal attacks against me. Now, she's telling the guys to stop talking about me because they're just feeding into my troll-baiting. She's right about that. They can't help themselves.
I'm sure she'll read this comment, and chomp at the bit because she can't post here. Let her chomp. Suits me fine. ;)
Posted by: The Countess at Jun 27, 2006 6:38:11 AM
Messerschmitt, you should read my posts about how Japanese women are turning away Japanese men, not bearing children, and waiting to marry. They're fed up with the way traditional mores in Japan treat them. And they don't fall for the "yellow fever" and "Asian Persuasion" image held by American men who think they all act like submissive geishas.
As you're basically starting 'meta-threads' regarding other threads (this is what...your 3rd about SYG now?), and since you're randomly closing off topics so people can only post on particular threads, and since all those threads concerning Japan seemed to be closed, allow me to comment on the quote of yours I provide.
I spent 3 years in Japan, have dated Japanese women - even married one (I guess she didn't read the memo). You get half the equation about half-right here. It's true Japanese women are less inclined to marry and have children these days. BUT, there's a growing number of MEN who are completely rejecting both work and marriage in Japan also - they are known as 'hikikomori' (loosely translated as 'pulled away from society') - basically they've dropped out of society altogether - they number up to 1,000,000. This may come as a surprise to you, but life is no bowl of cherries for your average salaryman, who puts in a 12+ hour shift (not including the commute) while handing out his entire salary to his wife who then in turn gives him back some pocketmoney to spend on his lunch and other sundries. Not just hikikomori, but I know FIRST-HAND that a lot of guys who work are also rejecting marriage in Japan. It's a dead loss. You marry, you MUST take up the salaryman duties. Believe me, I never met a Japanese women who wanted the same life as a salaryman. Women want to work part-time, and enjoy the rest of their time while their husband wins the bread.
And Japanese divorce - there are no visitation arrangements available to either men or women. This is where a perverse sense of equality takes place - the person who literally takes (literally) the children first, will win full custody. The non-custodial parent has zero chance of visitation (and oftentimes, this is WOMEN). The family courts of Japan want to maintain the "wa" (harmony) and consider visitation to be potentially hazardous. Sames goes for maintainance payments - you can forget that - they are not enforced either. With divorce on the rise in Japan, it's little wonder younger generations are side-stepping all these problems.
The Japanese systems is inflexible - you have few choices open to you - as a man or a woman. I don't actually blame women for not marrying, as I don't blame the guys too. Thing is, they still don't have great choices open to them if they choose not to marry.
In Japan, you need to work full-time to properly cover costs of rent and other living costs. As soon as you take that full-time job, you are trapped into the company. You cannot job-hop. The company says jump and you say "how high?". I know, I have 2 years full-time work experience in Japan behind me (thankfully behind me).
If you think Japan is a patriarchy, you have to be absolutely dreaming. It's an oppressive society for all it's citizens - including children who put in full days of school, then go to 'cram ' schools at night for further study. It's a monoculture that is rife with bullying - anyone different is fair game for very severe bullying.
I think you've kind of embarrassed yourself to use Japanese women as some kind of example of male oppression. It shows you don't get it at all.
Posted by: IMHO at Jun 27, 2006 8:22:28 AM
How am I starting meta-threads when the SYG guys come into my comments and go off topic? Regarding my threads about SYG, there are four threads over at SYG devoted to bashing me. They can't stop talking about me. That's not my problem.
I'm well aware of everything you're saying IMHO. I'm very much well aware of the working conditions and long hours expected of Japanese men. I know how divorce works in Japan. A very close friend of mine is Japanese, and we have discussed everything you've mentioned. I have not in any way used Japanese women as some kind of example of male oppression. I pointed out how Japanese women are rejecting marriage and childrearing. You've misrepresented what I had written, which doesn't surprise me at all.
Many Japanese women today are choosing to remain single. That scares the Japanese government, which sees the birth rates falling. According to one article, the fear is that if nothing is done to stop the falling birth rates, "the shortage of children will create problems for Japan including damage to its economic growth prospects, higher social welfare costs for individuals, and even psychological problems from poorly socialized youth."
Posted by: The Countess at Jun 27, 2006 8:43:06 AM
