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November 26, 2005
Strawfeminists And Other Voodoo Dolls
Update: Jill at Feministe and Echidne also written about this same issue.
Another point I forgot to make. "The Daughter Track", as the NY Times called it, is not a new trend. It's been going on for many, many years. The NY Times makes it sound as if it's discovered a new trend of selfish career women being forced to give up their careers when they are forced to care for elderly parents, as if that's some kind of punishment. Shame on those self-centered women! Nope, women of all classes have been caring for elderly parents for generations. There doesn't seem to be much mention of expecting adult sons to care for elderly parents, although more adult sons are doing it now. Just because the NY Times has found yet another way to bash women doesn't make elder care by daughters a new trend.
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Amanda has up a great post about how the New York Times is embarking on a "Stick The Pin In The Strawfeminist" series of articles as well as how the NY Times looks down upon the adult daughters (and daughters tend to do this, not sons) who care for elderly parents. I really should be working on my novel, but I'm procrastinating, so I'm going to blog for awhile instead.
I've noticed for a long time that the NY Times loves to pull out its Strawfeminist Voodoo Doll and stick pins in it on a regular basis. Remember the cover article with the picture of Ally McBeal that declared feminism dead? Well, now it is no longer dead, but fit to be reviled. Amanda brought up the Strawfeminist, which is the stereotype of feminism that the NY Times loves to attack, because to actually track down real feminists like the ones in the blogosophere would prove all those stereotypes wrong. Amanda described the Strawfeminist. I'm sure you've run across this chimera before.
Lurking in the background of all these stories is the presence of the Strawfeminist, a useful tool for backlash article writers and other sundry anti-feminists, because real feminists don't make real good targets, seeing as how we refuse behave and fit into the stereotypes appointed to us so we can be hated in lieu of actually coming out against women's equality. Unlike real feminists, Strawfeminists are all wealthy and white and "choose" to work instead of work because they have to. (We real feminists mostly need that paycheck.) Strawfeminists both hate men and have too much sex with them. Strawfeminists are selfish and hate their children and parents and husbands. Strawfeminists have no sense of humor and are ugly. Strawfeminists are selfish.
Amanda described the real flesh-and-blood feminists that populate the blogosphere:
One thing I really think, at least hope, that blogging is doing for feminism is that it makes it harder for feminism's opponents to keep believing so strongly in the Strawfeminist when faced with the prospect of real feminists to have to deal with. Feminist bloggers I read come from all socioeconomic backgrounds and all races. Feminist bloggers are younger and older, male and female, gay and straight and bisexual and other sundry things, married and unmarried, religious and non-religious, career-having and job-having and even staying at home, and most of us have a pretty good sense of humor, though some of us are rowdier than others. (*ahem*) The gap between the Strawfeminist that the haters like to pick at and the real feminists out gets more and more comical every day.
These are real, 3-dimensional women with husbands, boyfriends, children, jobs, hobbies, families, and lives. They don't fit well into the Strawfeminist fallacy, but that doesn't stop the trolls from trying to pigeonhole them in that category. My trolls are especially amusing. Despite talking about The Count (my husband) and The Royal Spawn (my son), and making it clear that I am very happily married, the trolls still try to shove me into that Strawfeminist mold. I must hate men. I must hate fathers. They feel sorry for my son. It's downright comical. I don't fit in their Strawfeminist mold, and they don't like it. What's even more amusing is that I am married to a non-custodial father. I am a Subsequent Wife. That fact doesn't stop the trolls from trying to paint me with the Strawfeminist brush. They look very pathetic when they do that.
Amanda's commentary about adult daughters taking care of elderly parents caught my attention because I've seen a few cases of this happening in my lifetime. Back in the '80s, the mother of a middle-aged, comfortably middle/upper middle class white man I knew had to move into his home. His wife did most of the eldercare work while he did his community hobby stuff at night and worked during the day. She also worked, but she had a second shift at home of taking care of his mother.
The irony of the Second Shift, as described by Arlie Hochschild, is that mothers don't see their Second Shift end the moment the kids are out of the house. Once the kids leave, the parents move in and they need tending to. Guess who does it most often, and it's not the husband. Sometimes the parents move in before the kids have moved out, so that means the the wife ends up with a Triple Shift. Eldercare is still seen as women's work, even if the woman is caring for her husband's elderly parents.
My ex's grandmother lived with his aunt and uncle for years. She was his aunt's mother. These people are also white and very comfortably middle class. They lived in a huge Victorian home, and Grandma had two rooms on the first floor. She was unusual in that she cooked the meals, and for the most part was able to take care of herself until she died. I liked her a lot. She used to call me "the gypsy" because I refused to wear shoes. I always walked around the house either in my bare feet or wearing socks. I hate shoes. My ex's aunt certainly didn't "choose" to quit her job and take care of her elderly mother. She runs her own company, and is running it to this day. So much for the stereotype promoted by the NY Times.
When I was in college, my father and his siblings spent a good year fighting over whether to put their elderly, infirm mother in a nursing home or to have her live with someone. The siblings who lived near her (they lived in Captain Kirk's home state - Iowa) did not want to put her in a home, whereas my father thought that was the best place for her. They got all over his case about this because he lived in Maryland, and wouldn't have to directly deal with who was going to take care of their mother. It didn't help that my grandmother did not want to live in a nursing home. She wanted to stay in her own home, but she was getting so infirm that that wouldn't have been possible without having a nurse living with her around the clock. Plus, although the siblings were fighting about where to put her if she wasn't going to be in a nursing home, I couldn't figure out if any of them actually wanted to take her in. In the end, she was sent to a nursing home. It was mainly a matter of what the family could afford, and who would be able to take care of her. These were all working class people, not upper class, wealthy, white women as described in the NY Times article who can "choose" to work rather than work because they have to. These are people with real lives and hard choices to make who aren't likely to be covered by the NY Times because their lives won't give the NY Times an opportunity to bash feminists.
My mother, the eldest of (I think - I lose track) six children, was the one who ended up taking care of my grandmother until she died. My grandmother could not walk up and down the steps, so she stayed on the pull-out couch on the first floor. My mother took on all the eldercare herself, although she had five other siblings who were perfectly capable of pitching in. Everyone lived near each other. One of my aunts would give my mother a break every once in awhile and take in my grandmother for a few days. Once again, the adult daughters were the ones who did the eldercare. Apparently, her other siblings either didn't have room in their homes for Grandma, or they had too many kids, or they smoked. A lot of them smoked, and my mother didn't want her mother in a house full of cigarette smoke. She rarely asked for help. That's just her way of doing things. These were working class people as well, and all of them worked. They couldn't "choose" to work because they were selfish, wealthy, white, upper class women as described in the NY Times article. They worked because they needed the paycheck. The NY Times wouldn't cover a family like that, either, because they're too real. The NY Times article is a slap in the face to women like my mother because it treats all women as if they are selfish, and then are later punished for their selfishness by having to care for their elderly parents.
What doesn't get mentioned in the NY Times article is that the women who traditionally take on the elder care often are still raising their own children at the same time. Sometimes they are also raising their grandchildren. These women are called the "Sandwich Generation" because they are caring for both elderly parents (either their own or their husband's parents) and their own children. Carol Abaya, an expert on the "Sandwich Generation", came up with these various definitions of the types of categories that exist:
* Traditional: those sandwiched between aging parents who need care and/or help and their own children.
* Club Sandwich: those in their 50s or 60s, sandwiched between aging parents, adult children and grandchildren. OR Those in their 30s and 40s, with young children, aging parents and grandparents.
(Term coined by Carol Abaya)* Open Faced: anyone else involved in elder care.
My parents live in Maryland, and I live in Massachusetts. My younger sister lives in Maryland a few blocks away from my mother. She'll be the one who will take our mother in if that time ever comes. It hasn't been talked about, but the assumption is there that she is going to do it mainly because she lives a few blocks away. The Count and I are thinking about moving to Hawaii after The Royal Spawn is in college, so I won't even be on the east coast anymore by the time either of my parents will need elder care. It's too cold here in Massachusetts, and there isn't much to do in Tinytown By The Sea. The Count grew up in Hawaii, and he has been itching to move back there. I look forward to summer year round.
I agree with Amanda that these Strawfeminist articles are just backlash against the women who are not only doing the bulk of the work raising their children, they are also doing the bulk of the work caring for elderly parents. Real feminists work for the paycheck. Women who aren't feminist also work for the paycheck. Most of us aren't fortunate enough to be upper class and able to "choose" not to work. Rather than publish articles about, as Amanda put it, "'selfish' women getting their comeuppance by having to go home to take care of elderly parents", the NY Times should interview real women who have to care for elderly parents, often while caring for their own children at the same time. But the NY Times will never publish an article like that because such an article would describe the situation as it really is. Can't have that. And an article about The Way Things Are won't be as much fun as sticking pins in Strawfeminist Voodoo Dolls.
Posted on November 26, 2005 at 11:07 AM | Permalink
Comments
Hm. That article was a little condescending.
While I think the loss of smart women in the workplace is a shame for the companies, at the same time, I look at my job and I'm pretty much a wage slave, as are most people. There's not a whole lot to admire about that, and if I were to leave, I can't say I'd regret ceasing to be a cog in the corporate machine. It's likely that what these women are doing is more rewarding to them than working for a company that only cares about money, and can and does replace them in an instant with little regret.
My own parents are getting on in years. My father currently needs 24 hour care and may or may not get better.
I have no siblings except a sister who has cerebral palsy and also requires 24 hour care. She lives with other disabled women in a home with a full-time staff.
I have no idea what will happen in the future or how everyone's care can be paid for, once my parents have no more income. I and my husband both work to pay our own mortgage. I hope to convince my parents to move to one of those communities where they can live independently until they both require full time care.
Of course, my husband also has an aging mother.
When my husband and I get old, we won't have any children to be our unpaid slaves. I imagine I will either kill myself or have saved enough money for long-term care when I can't do it myself (hopefully the former).
Posted by: San Francisco Knitter at Nov 26, 2005 2:15:47 PM
I read this article and a couple of things came to mind.
1)Why these women are feeling positive about their choices now, I'd be tempted to check back in with them in 10 years or so. Studies show that caretakers, especially of the full-time variety with no co-workers or "life" to distract them have very high rates of clinical depression. My partner (an only child) tried to care for sick and elderly parents. Gave up his career and moved to a little town, where he helped his parents run their mom-and-pop store. After his dad died, he was resolute that he would keep his mom at home till the very end. But her alzheimers totally frustrated him, and he ended up hospitalized himself in a state of exhaustion and depression. His mother then ended up in a nursing home.
2) My brother and two sisters do not have children. I fear that my kids will either have to just shut them out to preserve their sanity, or will run themselves ragged making sure Aunt H is getting the home health care she needs, or that Aunt G really did get her electric turned back on after the storm and just isn't confused. Or why Uncle R isn't answering his phone. Did he forget, or is he unable to get to the phone. Many professionals in geriatric care can be wonderful, but frankly, in order to navigate medicine and care today, you really need an advocate, and if you can't navigate for yourself very well any more, you are really disadvantated and can easily fall through the cracks.
Posted by: silverside at Nov 26, 2005 8:15:04 PM
Well there are so many issues with this situation I hardly know where to begin...
First, I doubt if any kids will run themselves ragged for their aunts and uncles. Generally I find people do this ONLY for parents or grandparents and even then that's only the side of the family they are close with.
For instance, I did a LOT for my mother's mother but nothing for my father's parents as I didn't even know them...and was already run ragged first by my grandmother, then my mother and I sure wasn't going to do it for a third party I hardly knew.
You have to build up a bond over a lifetime to expect this, not seeing a kid a few times a year at the holidays, if that...
The other issue is smaller families today, so there are fewer children to divide the responsibilities up amongst.
Not that anyone but me ever did anything for my mother or grandmother before they died anyway, although there were 8 of us...My brothers were always in a better situation then me to help my grandmother, since they were married so there were two of them, plus they all drove and had cars, yet my grandmother would never ask them always saying, "well your brothers have families to take care of now"...like what were my kids, chopped liver...
So I dragged my kids along on public transportion to run errands for her and shop for her when she was sick and couldn't get out...but my brothers winded up paying for the funerals and other expenses of her and my mother when they passed on, so they shared the burden that way...
Anyway, I find there is usually one person in the family who gets assigned this role, no matter how large the family, and generally it's a woman...
I think in the old days you had the classical 'maiden aunt' who was always around to do these things.
She was a sister who never married for some reason, yet somehow had an independent source of income as she never worked and thus, was always on call for a family tragedy to race into the house and take care of every crisis from the madman locked in the attic to the kids semi-orphaned by the death of their mother...
We actually had an aunt like this in my family growing up, she never married, lived with one of her sisters taking care of her kids, helping with housework, cooking, etc., and was always running around helping out other family members as necessary. She would show up to clean their houses if they were ill or help take care of sick parents or babies...
She was at my grandmother's house every holiday when I and my siblings all came home for visits and would run around helping cook, clean, shop, wrap gifts, whatever was needed...then she'd disappear from our lives until the next holiday came around and there she'd be again...
I guess we are experiencing a shortage of maiden aunts today and the ones who still exist are generally caught up in a career and not likely to quit and move into your house for a few years to dedicate themselves to a famlly emergency...
The other issue I think is people having children later, so there is no lag time in between the time you become an adult and then become responsible for an elderly parent. The time is too short, you might not have established yourself yet with your own family responsibilities and then are faced with some long term crisis...
That's what happened with me.
My grandmother died when my second daughter was an infant but for the ten years preceeding that she was sick and I had my older daughter to care for...so I had to take care of my grandmother along with raise my oldest...
Then my mother got sick and that was another decade of running around with my youngest to do things for her...
My mother had us young so I had care of her in my 30s, but because I had my grandmother to care for throughout my whole 20s, it was almost like I had a mother who had her kids late to care for...
So having kids late can be a problem as well...
I mean people are always telling me that I'm a young grandmother but in fact, I'm not...
I'm the right age for being a grandmother, it's they who have their timelines altered...
A number have young kids and get mistaken for grandparents instead of parents, so I guess the gray hair embarrasses them...
Anyway, my kids will have a good two decades or more of having some freedom to establish themselves before I become a burden on them...
I mean my oldest just left my household 5 years ago...so she's just starting out...
She wouldn't want (and neither would I) to have to immediately be needing help from her in daily tasks...because I'm too old to do them...
Fortunately I'll be able to take care of myself for years to come and actually help her raise my granddaughter...
Posted by: NYMOM at Nov 26, 2005 9:50:40 PM
This is one of the most confusing posts I've read here yet.
Which women are feminists and which women are not feminists?
Are you saying that Strawfeminists aren't real feminists
but you are a real feminist? why?
Are you saying that all women who care for elderly and raise
children are all feminists?
Bottom line, I don't think you know the difference between
a feminist and someone who's conscientious.
Posted by: PK at Nov 27, 2005 12:24:05 AM
Trish said, that amanda said, citing what jill said, that echidne said,and hugo mentioned,what adriane quoted from sophie,when she acknowleged ginmar, because Thrish said.
Got it, the more things change the more they stay the same.
Nice plane Count!Think heat shrink plastic skins if you want to eliminate the dope step. It can display the interior craftsmanship nicely, especially if RC is involved. Alas, its a trade off with the art of a spiffy paint job.
Posted by: at Nov 27, 2005 8:46:15 AM
My experience is different than yours, I think. My father's parents live in a community built especially for people aged 60+ where there's a full-time staff caring for them. When they discovered that my father's mom had breast cancer, my father flew to Israel to help her, he and his two sisters taking turns staying with her at the hospital during and immediately after her cancer removal surgery. When my mother's mom had terminal cancer, it was mostly her husband, my grandfather, who took care for her. While I knew that women cared for children more than men did, this article is the first time I hear that women also care for the elderly more.
Posted by: Alon Levy at Nov 27, 2005 10:40:19 AM
"While I knew that women cared for children more than men did, this article is the first time I hear that women also care for the elderly more."
Then you must be the only person in the world who didn't know this...
I guess we need a study today to verify even the most obvious things...
Posted by: NYMOM at Nov 27, 2005 10:47:43 AM
"This is one of the most confusing posts I've read here yet.
Which women are feminists and which women are not feminists?"
Well I think that she could be saying that it doesn't make a bit of difference whether you are a feminist or NOT in how you take care of your elderly parents...
I consider this business of trying to define a women as feminist or not to be an enormous waste of time in trying to pinpoint the issues anyway...
It's equivalent to asking if you are a Catholic or a Lutheran and trying to figure out something about you based on your answer.
Maybe it's saying that the NYT has an enormously overly inflated view of how feminism impacts women's lives...or maybe feminism itself does...
Like how we used to think the Sun revolved around us and then found that, in fact, we revolved around the Sun...
That could be the point...
I think...
Actually economics drives many things and maybe those women left their jobs to perserve their inheritance...as parents who have assets of about $250,000, let's say could have that eaten up in a few years in a nursing home...as opposed to you going home to care for them for a few years and then receive your inheritance intact.
I know everyone will hate me for saying that...but it needed to be thrown out into the mix...
What do you expect, I told you I was raised by nuns...not my parents like most of you...
Posted by: NYMOM at Nov 27, 2005 11:03:03 AM
I know everyone will hate me for saying that...but it needed to be thrown out into the mix...
Naah, I don't hate you for saying that, I just think you have your numbers wrong. That would be economically feasible if the amount was $250 million, not $250 thousand. If your ill parent lived for six months, the $250 thou would already have been eaten up by medical expenses if there was any surgery involved. If you're lucky, you'd have enough left to bury her.
You gotta be kidding me if you think people take care of their elderly parents because of some "inheritance". Most elderly aren't leaving behind even a year's worth of paycheck for their caretaker, especially after medical expenses.
If you think women, or anyone, is going to leave behind their only means of livelihood, their pension, their only means of obtaining health insurance....in the hopes of "cashing in" on the inheritance---you're nuts. Few people are leaving that kind of inheritance behind. Those that are, usually have the means to hire help, or their children are of an economic class where they can hire help for their parents----hence, no problem.
The problem exists for working class folks who don't earn enough to support their own families plus ill parents, especially if their ill parents aren't old enough to qualify for Medicare. It's compounded when those working class children may need to take time off from their jobs for caretaking.....but don't have enough leave time, or don't have benefits like leave time---even unpaid leave time. FMLA leaves out a helluva lot of people.
Posted by: La Lubu at Nov 27, 2005 11:41:18 AM
Alon Levy: "My father's parents live in a community built especially for people aged 60+ where there's a full-time staff caring for them. When they discovered that my father's mom had breast cancer, my father flew to Israel to help her, he and his two sisters taking turns staying with her at the hospital during and immediately after her cancer removal surgery. When my mother's mom had terminal cancer, it was mostly her husband, my grandfather, who took care for her."
There's a place like you describe around the corner from my house. There are a lot of old retirees who live here, and I suspect that some of them spend their final days in that type of community home. It's very nice, and it's not far from the beach. I think that when they are able to, many elders are cared for by their spouses. If the elderly relative is widowed, that persons care falls most often to the adult children, frequently the adult daughters or daughters-in-law.
Alon: "While I knew that women cared for children more than men did, this article is the first time I hear that women also care for the elderly more."
I've known that women more than men care for elderly parents for a few years. In addition, professional care of the elderly also tends to fall to women. I understand the pay could be better. I heard the term "Sandwich Generation" a few years ago. I didn't realize that, depending on how they were when they had children, some women end up caring for their children, their grandchildren, and elderly parents. While more men are taking on elder care, it is still predominately done by female relatives. I know that other cultures may handle this differently. I can't remember if it's in Asian cultures or Middle Eastern cultures, but one of them sees elder care as the responsibility of (I believe) the eldest son. It's assumed he'll marry, and he and his wife will care for aging parents.
Posted by: The Countess at Nov 27, 2005 2:10:52 PM
My dad took care of his father (mainly because he was pretty much the only person who would have anything to do with him - long story, most of which I don't know myself) and along with my mom is now taking care of his mother. Grandma is now in a nursing home, 2 hours away, but they visit at least weekly and keep in touch by phone.
For part of my childhood, my mom was definitely a "sandwich" person. Then Grandma moved to the city where I grew up and things were a lot simpler. My mom was 2 hours away and her two brothers were 2000 miles away. Simple enough.
Posted by: kohoutekdriver8 at Nov 27, 2005 6:46:08 PM
"You gotta be kidding me if you think people take care of their elderly parents because of some "inheritance". Most elderly aren't leaving behind even a year's worth of paycheck for their caretaker, especially after medical expenses.
If you think women, or anyone, is going to leave behind their only means of livelihood, their pension, their only means of obtaining health insurance....in the hopes of "cashing in" on the inheritance---you're nuts. Few people are leaving that kind of inheritance behind. Those that are, usually have the means to hire help, or their children are of an economic class where they can hire help for their parents----hence, no problem."
Well that's not entirely true. Actually senior citizens of today are the wealthiest of all age groups...
Remember they are the ones who brought real estate when housing was cheap, many have paid off their mortgages and are sitting on a huge fount of liquidity if they should EVER decide to sell...Actually many studies have shown that the reason Americans don't save as much as some other countries is because housing costs are so high, so many have their 'savings' stashed away in the home...literally and figuratively...
I have known many working class and moderate income people to be in a house worth anywhere from $150,000 to $250,000...with the mortgage paid off years earlier. They might have a small savings account and a little pension, but their main asset is frequently their home...
That's why NYS passed a law that before you become eligible for medicare or medicaid to pay for your nursing home expenses, they are allowed to go back a number of years to research your assets...As a number of senior citizens are talked out of their home and other assets and then put in a nursing home shortly thereafter. A more up-to-date approach to the infamous 'granny dumping' which is just bringing an old person to an emergency room and leaving them there.
I'm not saying people are leaving jobs for this reason, but it does happen...
Frequently a senior citizen isn't really sick enough to be in an old person's home, they just need a caretaker to shop and cook for them, help them take a bath, keep them company, etc., With a nursing home costing about $50,000 or so annually, you could spend down a $250,000 inheritance (which is not a lot when you look at the price of real estate today) in a few years for basically just 'babysitting' your elderly mother or father...
To me it makes sense to quit your job (depending upon your income) to take care of your parents in their own home and perserve an estate intact by doing so...
Every old person does not automatically need round the clock nursing home facilities. My grandmother didn't...my mother did...so it depends upon the situation...
We cannot close our eyes to the reality of these situations just as many people would like to ignore how child support ignited men's interest in children, upcoming inheritances often ignite people's interest in their elderly parents.
It's not far fetched...Economics drives many issues...
Again, not saying every women does this with this in mind...My mother and grandmother had nothing and I spend years running errands, visiting and taking care of them...
YET that doesn't mean every elderly person has nothing and that arrangements for their care aren't ever made due to economic considerations...just thought I'd throw it out there...
Posted by: NYMOM at Nov 28, 2005 10:19:15 AM
One thing I haven't seen in terms of commentary, is that this article is also an indirect commentary on economic development trends of the last few years. Note that these women were leaving the first-tier cities which have generated most of the "career" type jobs for places like Rolla, Mo., where they grew up and where there parents live. In fact, the population redistribution from rural to urban areas, and from midwest to the coasts, has in fact left a lot of elderly people with no adult children around. In states like Iowa, which baby boomers left in droves, unless they wanted to farm (agriculture has lost many jobs) or work at Walmart, this is becoming an increasing problem. So what to do. Move back to Rolla, Mo. or move Mom to LA or whatever. Because even with decent services for the elderly, somebody needs to be alert and monitor the situation. Mom may be telling you that her home health care aide is working out "just fine," but it will probably be you to notice that your mother hasn't had a shampoo in a month or that the silver is missing.
Posted by: silverside at Nov 28, 2005 12:24:38 PM
Of possible (related) interest:
http://www.nyu.edu/classes/siva/archives/002447.html
Posted by: Ann Bartow at Nov 28, 2005 1:21:41 PM
"One thing I haven't seen in terms of commentary, is that this article is also an indirect commentary on economic development trends of the last few years. Note that these women were leaving the first-tier cities which have generated most of the "career" type jobs for places like Rolla, Mo., where they grew up and where there parents live. In fact, the population redistribution from rural to urban areas, and from midwest to the coasts, has in fact left a lot of elderly people with no adult children around. In states like Iowa, which baby boomers left in droves, unless they wanted to farm (agriculture has lost many jobs) or work at Walmart, this is becoming an increasing problem. So what to do. Move back to Rolla, Mo. or move Mom to LA or whatever. Because even with decent services for the elderly, somebody needs to be alert and monitor the situation. Mom may be telling you that her home health care aide is working out "just fine," but it will probably be you to notice that your mother hasn't had a shampoo in a month or that the silver is missing."
Exactly...
I indirectly monitor a couple of elderly people.
One had his daughter stopping off at his house regularly for visits and her and her b/f winded up running up his phone bill over $500...he's on a fixed income and couldn't afford that, so he got his phone disconnected when he couldn't pay it.
I had to put a phone for him in my name so he could keep getting telephone calls from family and friends, BUT with NO long distance service available...
Then his tv broke, I got him another one...
Also, my daughters old babysitter needs to be monitored. She lives in a semi-assisted facility where you have your own apartment, her son a police officer works right across the street. Yet I frequently have to intervene for her...last year her son wanted to put her in a 24 house nursing facilty when she became diabetic, but she wanted to stay where she was and we talked him out of it...
She has a visiting nurse come in once a week.
The facility she lives in only monitors the senior citizens there once a month or so, walking around knocking on doors, checking to say hello, etc.,...but frequently if the weather is bad, she needs shopping done immediately, a prescription picked up, her laundry done if she can't get out, a ride to a doctor's appt...
So we all do these sorts of things for her, as she watched both of my daughter's growing up...
Frequently the elderly don't need 24/hour supervision in a nursing home; but someone has to look out for them on these various issues otherwise they would be placed in a nursing facility unnecessarily...
I just find many people are too busy with their own lives to bother with them...
I was quite embarrassed at my brother's wife two years ago (and my brother indirectly). Her father needed more care then her mother could provide him at her home, so her mother winded up selling their home and checking the BOTH of them into a nursing facility where SHE could take care of him...
Meanwhile she had three or four daughters up there, where she lived. All with their own homes and kids in college already so they ALL had the room...
My sister found out about it because my brother gave her a lot of furniture from his mother-in law's house that she couldn't sell and she told me...
I was horrified...
I mean I know his mother-in-law, she was like our grandmother was strong as a rock.
THEN to top it all off, his wife's father died a few months later and her mother had no place to return to as she had already sold her house, so she was taken in by her own sister. Plus probably didn't even have the house sale proceeds as it probably cost her a fortune for 6 months of her and her husband in a nursing facility.
That was the MOST selfish story I ever heard in my whole life...
I mean they didn't even have to quit their job as her mother was able to take care of her father, they just basically needed a roof over their heads for her to do this and they have tons of room...huge house...all kids gone already...THREE OR FOUR DAUGHTERS with houses, grown children, YET none of them could do it...
Sad...
Posted by: NYMOM at Nov 28, 2005 3:40:09 PM
I can't remember if it's in Asian cultures or Middle Eastern cultures, but one of them sees elder care as the responsibility of (I believe) the eldest son. It's assumed he'll marry, and he and his wife will care for aging parents.
This is the norm in most of Asia, in particular in India and China. I don't know how it is in Middle Eastern cultures; I think it's the same, but don't quote me on that. But Israel is pretty Western, so I presume that what happens in Israel is the same as what happens in Europe but with less social security for retirees to collect. Plus both sides of my family are more Western and more liberal than most, so the assumption is that the family members who live close to the infirm person in question will share the burden equally.
Posted by: Alon Levy at Nov 28, 2005 5:37:16 PM
Thanks, Alon. I must have been thinking of China. While I was typing my original comment, a little voice in my head kept yelling "China!", but I wasn't sure how accurate it was.
That seems to be what happens in my family and the families I've seen lately - whoever is closest cares for the infirm person. I'm not surprised, since siblings have been moving away from home for quite awhile now. I don't know how common it is for entire extended families to live in the same town, but I know it's not as common as it used to be.
Posted by: The Countess at Nov 28, 2005 6:00:33 PM
That narrows it down. There are probably dozens of cultures in China and even more throughout
the rest of Asia and the middle east. Why don't you just say that some people take care
of their elders and other people don't, instead of trying to stereo type everybody?
Posted by: JD at Nov 28, 2005 7:30:53 PM
The countess is just trying to sound tolerant. The anti-semitic assertion must have
alarmed her.
Posted by: ewton at Nov 28, 2005 7:36:41 PM
The countess is just trying to sound tolerant. The anti-semitic assertion must have alarmed her.
Doubtful. But I'm sure the two trolls posting within six minutes of each other have amused her no end. You certainly amuse me.
You may now go back to completely missing the point and obsessing over the Countess.
Posted by: Sheelzebub at Nov 28, 2005 11:09:08 PM
That narrows it down. There are probably dozens of cultures in China and even more throughout
the rest of Asia and the middle east.
There're dozens of cultures in China, but one of them consists of 70 or 80 percent of the population and dominates the country's mainstream; it's in this culture that caring for the elderly is considered the job of the eldest son and his family. In India it's more complicated, but still, village society is patrilocal in all major subcultures, so caring for the elderly falls upon the sons and their wives, not the daughters.
Posted by: Alon Levy at Nov 29, 2005 5:33:02 AM
"That narrows it down. There are probably dozens of cultures in China and even more throughout
the rest of Asia and the middle east. Why don't you just say that some people take care
of their elders and other people don't, instead of trying to stereo type everybody?
The countess is just trying to sound tolerant. The anti-semitic assertion must have
alarmed her."
What the heck were these two comments about?????
That was out of left field.
Can't anybody discuss ANYTHING w/o someone feeling insulted about it...
Posted by: NYMOM at Nov 29, 2005 9:41:32 AM
"That narrows it down. There are probably dozens of cultures in China and even more throughout
the rest of Asia and the middle east. Why don't you just say that some people take care
of their elders and other people don't, instead of trying to stereo type everybody?
The countess is just trying to sound tolerant. The anti-semitic assertion must have
alarmed her."
What the heck were these two comments about?????
That was out of left field.
Can't anybody discuss ANYTHING w/o someone feeling insulted about it...
Posted by: NYMOM at Nov 29, 2005 9:43:12 AM
Yeah, Sheelz, those "two" trolls have been amusing me since September. It's the same moron who posts under multiple screen names. I get a kick out of that he's so obsessed with me.
Posted by: The Countess at Nov 29, 2005 10:01:12 AM
NYMOM, where you live, elderly folks probably do have a fair amount of wealth locked up in their homes. For most parts of the country though, this isn't the case. In most of the Midwest, as factories shut down and outsourcing of even non-factory jobs took off, housing prices plummeted. No one wants to buy houses where there aren't any jobs. One of my grandmothers sold her house and got less than $50 grand for it---a huge, brick, beautiful house in fantastic condition. But in Bum Fuck Illinois, there aren't any jobs available. Few buyers. My other grandmother still lives there, and will probably get even less for her house; it's stick-built.
There's a huge population of elderly left behind in these godforsaken nothing towns. I'm sure some blowhard will end up calling me "selfish" someday if I can't talk my folks into living with me---but that's the only way I'd be able to take care of them. I sure as hell am not quitting my job so I can move to where they live and earn the minimum wage. I kinda like the idea of having a pension and having health insurance.
Why are you embarrassed for your brother's wife, but not your brother? Are you sure his input didn't have something to do with the decision? That's what happens in a lot of those cases; the spouse puts the kibosh to Mom or Dad moving in, yet it's always the woman that gets the "selfish" label. Bah!
Posted by: La Lubu at Nov 29, 2005 8:21:23 PM
"Why are you embarrassed for your brother's wife, but not your brother? Are you sure his input didn't have something to do with the decision? That's what happens in a lot of those cases; the spouse puts the kibosh to Mom or Dad moving in, yet it's always the woman that gets the "selfish" label. Bah!"
Yes, I was embarrassed by him as well...
But in his family his wife wears the pants, this I know.
At least regarding 'family' decisions. My brother (actually all my brothers) are men that come home and plop in front of the tv set in the family room and don't get involved in anything.
Basically his contribution to the family is bringing home an income and yelling at everyone if they make too much noise.
Posted by: NYMOM at Nov 30, 2005 1:01:42 AM
SHIT
"You shall have a designated area outside the camp to which you shall go. With your utensils you shall have a trowel; when you relieve yourself outside, you shall dig a hole with it and then cover up your excrement . . . Your camp must be holy." - Deuteronomy 23.12-14
Definition of Shit
(1) shit /`shit/vb. shit or shat \`shat\;
shit-ting [alter. (influenced by (2) shit and the past and pp. forms) of earlier shite, fr. ME shiten, fr. OE -scitan; akin to MLG & MD schiten to defecate, OHG scizan, ON skita to defecate, OE sceadan to divide or separate - more at SHED] v.i. 1. to defecate; often used figuratively to express embarrassment <1 thought I'd ~ when I had to pee and there wasn't any place to hide.> or fear . ~ v.t. to defecate something <~ watery stools>. 2. to fool, to mislead, to put on
shit can; 1. to throw away. 2. to ban. 3. to fire.
shit fruit salad (also: shit nickels, shit ice cream); said of a prima donna .
shit on; 1. to ruin, to muck up. 2. to treat unfairly, often by being extremely rude or unkind or harsh.
shit the bed; to foul your nest; to stupidly mess up your own good situation.
(2) shit \`shit\ n. [fr. (assumed) ME, fr. OE scite (attested only in place names);
akin to MD schit, schitte excrement, OE scitan to defecate] 1. a: feces b: garbage; junk; unorganized or unrelated articles, stuff . 2. lies, nonsense, exaggeration .
bad shit; a consumable of piss-poor quality; generally refers to street drugs.
big shit; someone with an overinflated sense of self-importance.
blow (a person's) shit away; to kill; figuratively, to astound.
built like a brick shit house; well built.
bullshit; 1. lies; nonsense. 2. trash; useless junk. 3. name of a group word game. 4. an interjection of fierce disagreement.
can eat sawdust and shit 2x4's; is overworked.
chickenshit; 1. n. a coward. 2. adj. cowardly.
crock of shit; something false or deceptive .
deep shit; big trouble; also stated knee deep in shit.
dipshit; idiot.
dish out shit; to deliver reprimands or punishments; also, to abuse verbally.
do bears shit in the woods?; rhetorical reply to statement of the obvious.
doesn't know shit from Shinola; can't tell the difference between excrement and brown shoe polish.
dogshit; 1. low-down, dirty, trashed-out. 2. interjection expressing hot disapproval.
don't give me that shit; same as "Seems to me I've heard that song before."
dumbshit; a pathetic incompetent.
eat shit; 1. to lose a game by a large margin. 2. to get a very raw deal; to absorb or withstand many insults or even physical abuse. 3. to humble oneself. 4. an angry demand, meaning to go away, to drop dead.
get your shit together; 1. undergo great personal growth; become organized or focused. 2. admonition to hurry up.
give a shit; to care .
good shit; a product of excellent quality; flavorful; generally a reference to street drugs.
Holy shit!; exclamation of surprise, discovery, realization, or fear.
horseshit; 1. lies; double-talk. 2. interjection of vehement disagreement.
hot shit; a class act; a popular item; frequently used sarcastically .
jack shit; a negative value; to do jack shit is to do less than nothing.
know your shit; to be an expert in your field.
little shit; 1. person of small stature. 2. petty annoyance. 3. term of endearment for one who is looked upon almost admiringly as a sweet rascal.
No shit!; 1. exclamation expressing excitement and surprise; similar to Really?; may be used sarcastically in response to something already known. 2. an exclamation of hearty agreement.
Oh shit!; exclamation of surprise or disgust; when pronounced \oo shit\ generally a waming of impending doom; can also mean merely Whoops!; when pronounced \o shee'it \ indicates great pain or embarrassment, or a colossal disaster; when pronounced \aw shit\ expresses regret or sympathy.
old shit; things or ideas which have become outmoded; behavior patterns that no longer work; old baggage or agendas.
piece of shit; 1. cheaply constructed article 2. bad person.
scare the living shit out of; terrorize.
shit-end of the stick; the rotten part of a deal.
a shit; a derogatory term.
shit happens; expresses the sentiment "the best laid plans often go awry"; often seen on bumper stickers.
shit hits the fan; 1. a violent or unpleasant situation, often in reference to reprimands coming down from authority figures. 2. a major organizational shake-up.
Shit, man!; 1. generic exclamation for surprise, disgust, delight, anger. 2. expression of pleasure, appreciation, astonishment.
shit on a brick; a rude exclamation expressing great disgust.
shit on a shingle; creamed chipped beef on toast.
shit on wheels; 1. someone who gets a lot done. 2. a holy terror. 3. a braggart who nevertheless carries it off.
shit or get off the pot; quit wasting time or stalling.
shit out of luck; having ill fortune.
shitcan; toilet; garbage can; honey bucket.
the shits; 1. diarrhea. 2. a dreary, rotten situation; .
stay out of my shit; admonition to mind your own business, to stop meddling.
sure as shit; a very definite and sometimes predictable occurrence; true to form.
take a shit; to defecate.
take shit; to accept abuse or ridicule.
tough shit; 1. expression indicating bad luck, similar to Too bad! or That's the way the cookie crumbles! 2. angry response to a person's excuses, stronger than So what!
up shit creek; in a bad situation.
shit-ass n. a reprehensible individual.
shit-bird n. a mild, sometimes half affectionate name for a scoundrel.
shit-brain n. an idiot.
shit disturber n. an instigator.
shit faced adj. drunk or otherwise intoxicated.
shit-fire n. a mean, nasty person; a bully.
shit-fit n. a temper tantrum; a tizzy.
shit-head n. halfway between a shit-ass and a shit-bird.
shit hole n. 1. a. a toilet b. the hole in the privy board;
often used figuratively . 2. the anus.
shit house n. 1. a bathroom or outhouse.
in the shit house; in disrepute.
shit house poet; 1. anyone who scribbles graffiti on restroom walls. 2. a lousy poet.
shit list n. figurative list,
implies persons held in low esteem .
shit load n. big, huge, behemoth.
shit shark n. the person who operates the honey wagon.
shitter n. an outhouse; a toilet.
in the shitter; in disrepute.
shitter time; a place to think things out; discipline in a drug rehab program.
shitty /shit-e/ adj., shit-ti-er; -est
1. inept. 2. inferior, cheap, bad, or ugly; denotes a state of being that is somehow dreadful, often as a result of physical pain or guilt .
shitty Hash /shit-e hash/ n. a very good Hash
a run with lots of Shiggy and brambles .
Reprinted without permission for review purposes from "How to Shit in the Woods" by Kathleen Meyer, Published by 10 Speed Press (ISBN 0-89815-319-0), $5.95. The entry for "shitty hash" is not included in the book.
Chapter I, Anatomy of a Crap, has a couple of great stories of craps gone wrong that alone justify the price of the book. -- Woodpecker
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List of Shits
The Ghost Shit
The Vanishing Shit
That's the kind where you feel the shit come out, have shit on the toilet paper, but there's no shit in the toilet.
The Clean Shit
The kind where you feel shit come out, see shit in the bowl, but no shit on the toilet paper.
The Wet Shit
The Indelible Shit
The Gooey Shit
This shit has the consisyency of hot tar. You wipe your ass repeatly (or until raw) and it still doesn't come clean. You end up putting a wad of toilet paper in your crack so you aren't walking around leaking shit. This shit leaves permanent skid marks in the toilet and in your underware.
The Second Wave Shit
Double Shit
You're all done wiping and you're about to stand up when you realize it ... you've got to shit again.
The Pop a Vein in Your Forehead Shit
This is a dangerous shit, the kind of shit that kills people. You have to strain so much to get it out that you turn purple and practically have a stroke.
The Whole Grain Shit
You've consumed so much fiber, your shit looks like a stick of fire wood and you loose 10 pounds in the process.
The Immediate Shit
You had better be within 30 seconds of a toilet. This kind of shit usually has it's head peeping out before you can sit down.
The King Kong Shit
The Commode Choker
The Roto-Roter Shit
The Lincon Log Shit
The Nuclear Shit
These shits are in a class all their own, so large that you know it won't go down the toilet inless you break it into smaller chunks. This kind of shit usually happens at a friends or relatives house.
The Floater Shit
The Cork Shit
The Bruce Kirker
Even after multiple flushes, a turd-let is still bobbin around circling the pot. My God! How do you get rid of it?! This shit also usually happens at someone else's house.
The Brown Trout Shit
The Wet Cheeks Shit
This shit is alive, and jumps out of your ass to hit the water sideways that causes a huge splash that gets your ass all wet. Water will invariably be ice cold.
The Gaseous Shit
You thought you had to shit, but all you got was a few medium farts for your effort.
The Trick Shit
You thought you had a good fart to cut loose, but instead you shit in your pants. Usually happens among friends and where a toilet is no where to be found.
The Concrete Shit
The Spinal Tap Shit
You wish you'd gotten a spinal block before starting. Your positive your shit has turned into solid jagged rock, and you'd swear that it is leaving you sideways. This shit will sometimes cause injury to your asshole lips.
The Gee, I Wish I Could Shit, Shit
The Wish Shit
It's the kind where you want to shit, but all you can do is sit on the toilet cramped, and fart a few times.
The Ottoman Shit
The kind where the odor of the mess creeps out of the restroom and throughout the building to make the entire building sick or near evacuation. (This has been noted to happen in several bowling alleys in the past few years especially.)
The Corn Shit
No explanation necessary.
The Drinker's Shit
The kind of shit you have the morning after a long night of drinking. It's most noticeable traits are the incredibly bad smell and the the tread mark left on the bottom of the toilet bowl after you flush.
The Mexican Food Shit
A class all of its own.
The Crowd Pleaser
The Trophy Shit
This Shit is so intriguing in size and/or appearance that you have to show it to someone before flushing. Consider for a moment to get the camera.
The Toxic Waste Shit
The Quad Shit
This kind of shit is a runny yellowish-brown liquid and gives off an odor so bad you're afraid to breathe. Your asshole is burning so bad that you actually get a mirror to check for damage.
The Moon Enhancer
This shit occurs after a lengthy period of constipation, thereby allowing you to be your old self again.
The Groaner
A shit so huge it cannot exit without vocal assistance.
Snake Shit
This shit if fairly soft and big around as your thumb, but is so long it coils up into cute little circles. This is rare, enjoy.
The Explosive Shit
This Shit come out in little explosions. Like a string of firecrackers. Just when you think the last blew, wait, there's more explosions to come. This shit can be messy with turd-lets as projectiles.
Volcano Shit
Not liquid and not solid, this shit emerges in a slow but continuous flow. Usually happens when you're sick.
The Nuclear Shit II
One huge explosion of a solid shit plug followed by a continuous stream of shit of varying textures and densities. Usually happens when someone is in the stall next to you. Asshole feels like it went up one size.
The Marble Shit
The Pebble Shit
Your asshole opens up and it's like a sushi maker produces little round marble like spheroids of shit. Sizes range from tiny ball bearings to large size shooters.
The Theatre Shit
The Bad Timing Shit
The SHIT! Shit
This shit gives you ample warning of it's impending arrival. Yet, you are still unable to find ac(commode)ations. Usually happens on long airline flights, in shopping malls, traffic jams, in the middle of a conferenece call or meeting, and the most exciting part of a sporting event. If you do nothing about it, could turn to a Concrete Shit
The Kieth Lomaz Shit
Disappears down the tube on impact. ie you look but nothing is there.
The Tortilla Shit
Pale pasty shit that you get after drinking beer and eating too many tortilla chips.
The Cable Shit
It reaches all the way down the bowl and still is coming out of your ass.
The Klingon Shit
The kind of shit that won't let go of your ass after the first clump falls off. This kind of shit makes you have to bounce up and down several times before it will fall off. Usually ends up sticking to other parts of your ass as well.
The Unsure Shit
You think you've got to shit. It's comming. No, it's not. Yes it is. No, it's NOT. Think twice about forcing "unsure shit" to become "Stroke Shit".
The Sex Shit
The urge to defecate caused by increased movement of internal organs due to the act of sex. This shit kind of sneaks up on you. You're never quite sure if you let go whether it will emerge in solid or gaseous state.
The Baby Shit
Self explanatory. Output is often more attractive and seemingly more palatable then input. Comes in a variety of colors and textures. Caution: babies have been known to process this shit a second time.
The Slow Shit
Similar to "The Unsure Shit" except you have the feeling of continuous, but miniscule progress. Coaxing, straining and grunting seldom helps. Get a magazine to read and relax. This shit has its own time table.
The Acid Shit
Occurs the morning after taking two hits of acid and getting the munchies. You're not quite sure what it is you ate, but from the looks of this shit, it must have been a wide range of foods. May come in vivid colors, or might just seem that way. May spend more time admiring shit than delivering shit.
The Phantom Shit
You know you did not shit today, but yet there is some shit residue in your pants. Could be caused by klingons from an earlier shit.
The Sample Shit
Without exception, when your doctor requests a stool sample, you will produce the most foulest, vile, jet-black shit you have ever shitted in your whole life. This shit is so violate that plastic containers are at risk of rupturing.
The Tasty Shit
This shit is otherwise unremarkable, but if dropped outdoors your prized hunting dog will suddenly show up and gobble this turd up like candy. Bad Dog! Bad Dog!
The Unknown Shit
This shit is where your child has dropped a big one in the other bathroom that you don't discover until days later. It is so decomposed you can't classify this shit.
The Delayed Shit
This shit is where you notice that you haven't shit for a few days. You begin to wonder what is delaying the shit. When the shit comes it will invariably be type "Concrete Shit"
The Sibling Shit
This shit is where you dare your little brother to fish your shit out of the toilet. He hesitates, but goes for it and reports, "somewhat like a firm banana".
The Shower Shit
This shit is where you have your crack all soaped up and suddenly feel a fart coming on ... you know it will sound great with soap in the crack so with one great grunt ... aren't you surprised when a smells load squirts onto the shower floor. Since you are in a confined area, the odor of this shit just makes you sick.
The Greens Shit
Comes the day after eating a big spinach salad.
The Richard Simmons Shit
You shit so much, you lose 10 pounds.
The Ritual Shit
This shit occurs at the same time each day and is accomplished wih the aide of a newspaper.
The Guiness Book of World Records Shit
A shit so noteworthy it should be recorded for future generations.
The Aftershock Shit
This shit has an odour so powerful than anyone entering the vicinity within the next 7 hours is effected.
The Honeymoon's Over Shit
This is any shit created in the presence of another person.
The Olympic Shit
This shit occurs exactly one hour prior to the start of any competitive event in which you are entered and bears a close resemblance to the Drinker's Shit
The Back to Nature Shit
This shit may be anyone of the variety on this list, but it is always done either in the woods or while hiding behind the passenger side of your car.
The Premeditated Shit
Laxative induced. Doesn't count.
The Energizer vs Duracell Shit
Also known as the "Still going" shit.
The One-Leg-Out Shit
That's where you finally make it to the facilities after holding it for 15 minutes longer than you thought you could and you have to take one leg out of your shorts so you can spread your knees far enough apart to accomodate an extra wide dump.
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"Shit Happens" in Various World Religions
Taoism:
Shit happens.
If you can shit, it isn't shit.
Confucianism:
Confucious say, "Shit happens".
Buddhism:
If shit happens, it isn't really shit.
Shit will happen again to you next time.
Only he who totally gives up the desire for shit will seek salvation.
Zen-buddhism:
What is the sound of shit happening?
Hinduism:
This shit has happened before.
This shit is not a religion, it is the way of life.
Protestantism:
If shit happens, it happens to someone else. Let shit happen to someone else.
Catholicism:
If shit happens, you deserved it.
Shit happens because you have sinned.
Charismatic Catholicism:
Shit is happening because you deserve it, but we love you anyway.
Jesuitism:
If this shit happens and no one is around, then did it happen?
Judaism:
Why does shit always happen to US?
Reform Judaism:
Got any laxatives?
Islam:
If this shit happens, it is the will of Allah.
Lutheranism:
If shit happens, have faith, and it will stop happening.
Newage:
That's not shit, it's feldspar.
A firm shit does not happen to me.
This isn't shit if I really believe it's chocolate.
I create my own shit.
If shit happens, buy a new crystal.
Realism:
I think I need to take a shit.
Existentialism:
Shit doesn't happen; shit is.
Wicca:
If shit happened once, it will happen twice more.
Jehovah's Witnesses:
No shit happens until Armaggedon.
There is only a limited amount of good shit.
Seventh Day Adventism
: Shit happens everyday but saturday.
Work hard and on saturday shit happens.
*(They contradict...makes ya think, doesn't it?)
Secular Humanism:
Shit evolves.
Christian Science:
When shit happens, don't call a doctor--pray.
If shit happens, don't worry, it goes away.
Atheism:
I don't believe this shit.
It looks and smells like shit, so I'm damned if I'm going to taste it.
This shit doesn't happen.
Religion From An Atheist's Point Of View:
I haven't smelt, seen, touched, or tasted it. But it's shit.
Hedonism:
When shit happens, enjoy it.
Rastafarian:
Let's roll that shit up and smoke it.
Mormon:
Hey, there's more shit over here!
This shit happened before, and will happen again.
Baptist:
You are shitting all wrong, and you'll be punished for it.
Presbyterianism:
if shit has to happen, let it happen to someone else.
Calvinism:
Shit happens because you don't work hard enough.
Unitarianism:
Go ahead, shit anywhere you want.
Iraqi Baathist:
Oh shit!
Creationism:
...And the lord said "Let there be shit"...and there came piles of it...
After six days of shit he rested.
Zen:
What is shit?
Voodoo:
Shit doesn't just happen -- somebody dumped it on you.
Televangelism:
Your tax-deductible donation could make this shit stop happening.
Hare Krishna:
Shit happens, Rama, Rama, Om, Om.
Let all shit of the world unite to form a single global pile of shit.
Agnosticism:
What is this shit?
It looks and smells like shit, but I haven't tasted it, so I'm not sure whether its shit or not.
Maybe shit happens, maybe shit doesn't happen.
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Shit Happens (in other various ways)
Bush-ism:
This shit wouldn't be prudent...
Yuppie Shit:
It's my shit! All mine! Isn't it beautiful?
An Employer:
Shit happens, and rolls down hill.
Nixonism:
Shit didn't happen, and if it did I didn't know anything about it.
Heisenbergism:
Shit happened, we just don't know where.
McCarthyism:
Are you now, or have you ever been, shit?
This shit is un-American, it must against all other communist shit.
Communism:
It's everybody's shit.
Shit doesn't happen unless we say so.
Hippyism:
If shit happens, make peace with it.
Capitalism:
Shit happens, and it'll cost you!
Realism:
I think I need to take a shit.
Armstrongism:
It's a small peice of shit for man, but a giant pile of shit for mankind.
Fortran:
If (shit,gt.shit**2) go to 50
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Ann Randism:
I shit, therefore shit happens.
Beethovens 5th:
Shit Shit Shit Shiiiit!!!
Shit Shit Shit Shiiiit!!!
Darwinism:
This shit evolved.
Descartesianism:
excreto Ergo Sum. (I shit therefore I am)
Fatalism:
Not this shit again.
Dungeons And Dragonsism:
You are all in deep shit. Everyone roll d20
Mathematics:
Necessary and sufficient conditions for shit to occur are:
1) Shit must exist and be continuous in a domain D.
2) No shit must exceed "SHIT" on the boundary of D.
Kennedyism:
Ask not what the country's shit can do for you, ask what your shit can do for the country.
Naziism:
If shit happens, blame it on the Jews and gas them.
Marie Antoinette-ism:
If they can't afford bread,why don't they get shit instead? (Note: This is the real reason she got the guillotine.)
Mclaineism:
This shit has happened to me before.
Militarism:
Shit happens. By the numbers.
Optimism:
Let's look on the bright side of this...Shit only happens Once!
Pessimism:
No good ever came out of shit and this shit ain't any good either.
Shit happens forever.
Paranoia:
Shit happens 'cause it's a plot.
Orwellianism:
Some shit is more equal than other shit.
I am an agent of shit.
Politics:
(Election time): Shit happens to my opponent.
(Term in office): I recall no shit happening.
(Retired): We all knew shit happened.
My Fellow Americans, All I stand for is shit.
No New Taxes!
I will fix this shit more efficiently than my opponent.
My opponent is a shit.
I did not do any of those shitty things.
I did not inhale that shit.
Psychiatry:
Take this thorazine and don't worry about your shit anymore.
Psychology:
I can help you with your shit.
Punkism:
If shit happens, cause more!!!
Rand Objectivism:
Shit is shit.
Republicanism:
If shit happens, raise the taxes.
Soonerism (University of Oklahoma):
If you ain't fer the Sooners, you ain't fer shit. (Does this mean that if you are fer the Sooners, you are for shit?)
Stoicism:
So shit happens, take it!
Green Peace:
Save this shit.
Environmentalism:
Recycle this shit.
Wimpism:
Awww, SHOOT!
Branch Davidians:
I think we're in deep shit now.
David thinks he's hot shit.
Shit, we ain't coming out if we don't want to!
Artist:
If Jesse Helms likes it, it is shit.
Mark Kostabi is a talentless shit.
Shit, I wish I thought of that.
Sorry, tonight I'm giving a performance and must roll in this shit.
Big Eyed Children Art is shit.
Anything you can buy for $2.99 isn't art, it's shit.
Poet:
My childhood was shit, let me share.
Rhyming poetry is shit, create in free verse.
(Four hours worth of debate about shit)
My love is like a red, red shit.
I have miles to go before I shit.
Ode to a Grecian Shit.
To the Virgins, that they make the most of shit.
My last shit, hangs there on the wall...
Painter:
I forgot to wash out my brush, now it's shit.
Dog:
All I do is eat, sleep and shit.
That is not my shit in the corner. It is the cat's.
I did not chew the shit out of your bedroom slippers.
This Alpo tastes like shit. But I like it.
When I catch a car, it will shit!
Oh shit, I caught it!
Cat:
Why do I have to shit in this smelly pan?
Let me sleep, you pathetic shit.
Stop feeding me shit, I want caviar.
I think I am great and you are shit.
Dogs are shit.
I do not do unelegant things like shit, I excrete. And never in the corner. It is the dog's.
Fish:
All I do is eat, swim and shit.
This life is shitty.
Always the same dried shit for dinner?
Snake:
If I got out of this cage, you'd shit.
Boss:
(evil) Do as I say, useless shit that you are.
Your work is shit.
You may only shit during coffee breaks.
(good) Aw shit, take the whole day off!
I think we can get away with this shit.
Teacher:
Repeat after me: one shit + one shit =?
Custer's last words were "Shit..."
My salary is shit.
These children are little shits.
Botanist:
What this daisy needs is some fresh shit.
Punk rocker:
Everything in the universe is shit.
(UK) The Queen is shit!
All cops are shit.
Royalty:
When they hear about the Windsors, we're all in deep shit.
Camilla is a shit.
During the polo match, he got covered in shit.
Would you like some scones with that shit?
Cook:
It needs some more of this green shit.
I burned the hell out of that shit.
This tastes like shit.
I can't believe they ate all that shit.
Don't eat the parsley, you stupid shit.
These people would eat any kind of shit if you make them pay $$$ for it!
Disk Jockey:
I will not play that shit.
This is the newest rage: The Shit.
Dig this funky shit, radioheads.
B-sides are usually shit.
Getting up at 3 am to goto work is shitty.
I can't say "shit" on the air.
The FCC are a bunch of shits.
Model:
I can't believe I must wear that shit.
I'm tired of macrobiotic shit, gimme a DingDong.
Shit, it's a zit.
You can't pay me enough to sleep with that shit.
Paulina treated me like shit yesterday.
Going on interviews is shit.
This makeup artist made me look like shit.
When I wake up I look like shit . . . just like you do.
Mechanic:
This carburator is a piece of shit.
Your tires are shit.
Shit...this will cost a lot, mister.
Acupuncturist:
This will really get the energy shit moving.
Hold still or it will hurt like shit.
You eat too much greasy shit.
Let all that shit go.
Be glad God is in bowel movements.
The world is full of shit, but you don't have to absorb any of it.
Creep:
I'm not a shit, you are!
Shit on you.
I slept with your sister and she's shitty in bed.
Postal Worker:
Let's see how much they'll pay for shitty service.
Will they pay $0.32 for one shitty stamp?
In rain, sleet, snow, shit and dark of night.
These Sears catalogues are heavy as shit.
Technician:
The problem is not in the wires, your machine's shit.
Viruses are shit.
I don't want to get toner shit on my tie.
This stupid shit sprayed his hard drive with WD-40 (tm)!
You wouldn't believe the expensive shit this fool left on the disk.
This shit calls for an expensive replacement part.
I am tired of reading about shit.
This shit isn't funny.
I'm going to read alt.humor.funny, now that's funny shit!
I think alt.humor.funny is shit.
Do lemurs shit?
1 medium onion, chopped
1 clove garlic, minced
1 tsp. ground cumin
2 whole chicken breasts, skinned, boned, and cut into 1 inch
chunks
1 16 oz. can white kidney beans, drained
1 19 oz. can garbanzo beans, drained
1 12 oz. can white corn, drained
2 4 oz. cans diced mild green chiles
2 chicken bouillon cubes
1 1/2 cups water
3 drops hot pepper sauce
1 cup Monterey Jack cheese, shredded
Preheat oven to 350 degrees. In a small saucepan over medium
heat, cook onion, garlic, and cumin until onion is tender. In 2
1/2 quart casserole, combine onion mixture with chicken, white
kidney beans, garbanzo beans, corn, green chiles, bouillon, and
1 1/2 cups water (I use less liquid). Cover casserole and bake
50-60 minutes until chicken is tender. To serve, stir hot
pepper sauce into chili to taste. Serve with shredded cheese
on top.
Serves 8. Per serving: Calories 339, Saturated fat: 10g, Total
fat: 26g, Carbohydrates: 37g, Sodium 1123 mg, Cholesterol 52 mg.
White Chili with Chicken
Recipe By : Terri
Serving Size : 8 Preparation Time :0:00
Categories : Poultry, Main Dish
Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
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3 cans white beans
1 tablespoon Vegetable oil
2 pounds Boneless -- skinless chicken
cut into 1" cubes
1 medium Sweet onion -- diced
4 cloves Garlic -- minced
1 package Frozen white corn(16oz)
2 teaspoons Cumin
1/2 teaspoon Oregano
1 can Green chilies(4oz)
1 1/2 cups Chicken broth
Juice of 1/2 lime
1 cup grated Monterey Jack Cheese
1/2 cup Chopped cilantro
Garnishes as desired
Place beans and their liquid in a large pot over low heat. Heat the oil in a
skillet and saute the onion and garlic until golden. Add the chicken and
saute until lightly browned. Stir the chicken mixture into the bean pot along
with corn, cumin, oregano, green chilies and chicken broth. Simmer uncovered
30 minutes. Add 1 cup of grated Monterey Jack cheese stir till melted, and
well blended.
Just before serving, stir in lime juice and cilantro.
Serve, if desired, with garnishes such as chopped red onion, additional
grated Monterey Jack cheese, dollop of sour cream, garnished with salsa of
choice
White Chili with Salsa Verde
Recipe By :
Serving Size : 8 Preparation Time :0:00
Categories : Poultry Chili
Beans
Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
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-----CHILI-----
1 teaspoon Lemon pepper
1 teaspoon Cumin seed
4 Chicken breast halves
1 teaspoon Olive oil
1 Garlic clove -- minced
1 cup Chopped onions
18 ounces Frozen Shoepeg White Corn -- thawed
1 Cans diced green chiles -- (8 ounces) undrained
1 teaspoon Ground cumin
3 tablespoons Lime juice
30 ounces Great northern beans -- undrained
2/3 cup Crushed tortilla chips
1 1/2 ounces Shredded Monterey Jack cheese
-----SALSA-----
22 ounces Tomatillos chopped -- drained *
1/2 cup Chopped onion
1/2 cup Chopped fresh cilantro or parsley
1 Jalapeno pepper -- chopped
1 Garlic clove -- minced
1/2 teaspoon Lemon pepper
1/2 teaspoon Dried oregano leaves
1/2 teaspoon Adobo seasoning** or garlic powder
3 tablespoons Lime juice
2 1/2 cups water
*If tomatillos canned. **Adobo is a seasoning available at Hispanic food
stores.
In a large saucepan, combine water, lemon pepper, and cumin seed; bring
to a boil. Add chicken breast halves. Reduce heat to low; cover and
simmer 20-28 minutes or until chicken is fork tender and juices run
clear. Remove chicken from bones; cut into 1-inch pieces. Return chicken
to saucepan. Spray medium skillet with cooking spray; heat over medium
heat. Add minced garlic; cook, stirring, for 1 minute. Remove from pan;
add to chicken mixture. Add onions to skillet; cook, stirring, until
tender. Add cooked onions, corn, chiles, ground cumin and lime juice to
chicken mixture. Bring to a boil. Add
beans; cook until thoroughly heated. Salsa: Combine all salsa ingredients
in medium bowl; mix well. Refrigerate 30 minutes to blend flavors. To
serve, place some tortilla chips and cheese in 8 individual soup bowls;
ladle hot chili over cheese. Serve with the salsa.
COLD BEAN SALAD
Recipe By :
Serving Size : 4 Preparation Time :0:00
Categories : Salads Appetizers
Vegetables
Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
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1 c Cooked pinto beans
1 c Cooked navy beans
1 c Cooked red kidney beans
1 ea Celery stalk, diced
1 ea Green bell pepper, diced
2 ea Garlic cloves, diced
1/2 c Oil
3 tb Tamari
2 tb Apple cider vinegar
1 tb Light molasses
3 tb Nutritional yeast
1/2 ts Salt
1/2 ts Garlic powder
1/4 ts Paprika
1/4 ts Oregano
1/4 ts Basil
1/8 ts Red pepper
Combine beans & diced vegetables in a large bowl.
Place remaining ingredients in blender & blend on high
for 1 minute. Add to bean vegetable mixture. Blend
more seasoned liquid if desired. Chill for 2 hours.
Season to taste.
Green Bean And Fennel Salad
Recipe By : Bon Appetit April 1998
Serving Size : 6 Preparation Time :0:00
Categories : Beans & Peas Bon Appetit Magazine
Salads & Salad Dressings To Post
Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
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3 tablespoons balsamic vinegar
2 tablespoons fresh lemon juice
1 tablespoon olive oil
2 teaspoons water
1/2 pound green beans -- trimmed cut into 1
-- 1/2-inch pieces
2 large fennel bulbs -- trimmed, quartered
-- lengthwise thinly
-- sliced crosswise
4 ounces button mushrooms -- trimmed quartered
2 cups chopped fresh italian parsley
3 tablespoons chopped fresh chives
2 teaspoons finely grated lemon peel
Whisk first 4 ingredients in medium bowl to blend. Season with salt and pepper
.
Cook green beans in large pot of boiling water until crisp-tender, about 5 minu
tes. Drain. Transfer to large bowl of ice water. Drain beans. Pat dry. (Ca
n be made 1 day ahead. Cover and chill dressing. Wrap green beans in paper to
wels and chill.)
Place beans in large bowl. Add fennel, mushrooms, parsley, chives and lemon pe
el. Drizzle dressing over; toss. Season with salt and pepper. Cover and chil
l 30 minutes. Toss again and serve.
Title: Fava Bean and Salt Cod Salad
Categories: Salads, Ceideburg 2
Yield: 4 servings
4 Ounces salt cod
2 To 2 1/2 pounds young fava
-beans, shelled, peeled
1/4 c Olive oil
2 tb Chopped fresh thyme or
-winter savory
1 ts Freshly ground black pepper
1/2 ts Salt (optional)
4 Ripe tomatoes, peeled,
-seeded and chopped (about
-1 cup)
Here, fava beans are paired with salt cod in a rich and filling
salad. To complement the rustic flavors of this dish, serve with
toasted garlic-rubbed baguette slices and a soft goat cheese.
Soak the salt cod overnight in a large bowl of cold water. The next
day, drain the cod, add fresh water and let soak for 2 hours. Drain,
add fresh water and let soak 2 hours longer. The amount of soaking
time needed to leach the salt from the fish will vary.
Bring 4 cups of water to a shimmering simmer in skillet just large
enough to hold the fish. Add the fish and poach until barely cooked
through (it should flake easily), about 5 minutes. Do not boil.
Remove fish and drain well, then flake it.
Cook the favas in 4 cups boiling water until just tender, about 10 to
15 minutes. Drain.
Combine the olive oil, thyme or savory, pepper and salt (if desired).
Toss with the favas.
Arrange equal portions of the dressed beans, flaked fish and chopped
tomatoes on individual salad plates.
Serves 4.
PER SERVING: 285 calories, 21 g protein, 75 g fat (2 g saturated),
37 mg cholesterol, 323 mg sodium, 4 g fiber.
HEARTY PASTA AND RED BEAN SALAD
Recipe By :
Serving Size : 6 Preparation Time :0:00
Categories : Salads Pasta
Italian
Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
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2 c Raw, med-size shaped pasta
2 c Cooked/canned red beans OR
2 c Kidney beans
1 c Diced zucchini (@ 1 med)
1 Sm green pepper, fine chop
1 Med ripe tomato, chopped
1/3 c Chopped green olives
1/4 c Grated Parmesan cheese
1 c Plain yogurt
1/2 ts Chili powder r more to taste
1/2 ts Ground coriander
1/2 ts Paprika
1/4 ts Dried sage
Cook the pasta al dente and rinse with cool water.
Drain the pasta well and put it in a mixing bowl. Add
the remaining ingredients and mix thoroughly. Serve
at room temperature or chilled.
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To your credit, you don't hog two thirds of the thread's lines.
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