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August 26, 2005

Eugenicist Claims Men Are More Intelligent Than Women

There is yet another "study" by two guys who claim that men are more intelligent than women. [via Atrios.] .

One of the researchers, Richard Lynn, was a source cited for the racist book "The Bell Curve".

Here's what Fairness In Accuracy And Reporting had to say about Lynn:

Among Lynn's writings cited in The Bell Curve are "The Intelligence of the Mongoloids" and "Positive Correlations Between Head Size and IQ."

Murray and Herrnstein describe Lynn as "a leading scholar of racial and ethnic differences." Here's a sample of Lynn's thinking on such differences: "What is called for here is not genocide, the killing off of the population of incompetent cultures. But we do need to think realistically in terms of the 'phasing out' of such peoples.... Evolutionary progress means the extinction of the less competent. To think otherwise is mere sentimentality." (cited in Newsday, 11/9/94)

Elsewhere Lynn makes clear which "incompetent cultures" need "phasing out": "Who can doubt that the Caucasoids and the Mongoloids are the only two races that have made any significant contributions to civilization?" (cited in New Republic, 10/31/94)

Yeah, I'd believe a racist when it comes to determining the intelligence of men versus women. Did he measure men's head sizes versus women's? I thought phrenology went out with the planchette.

This kind of study is not new

Here's more on two earlier gender/intelligence studies by two researchers. This article was posted on a fathers' rights web site in 2002. The researchers were Paul Irwing, who co-researched the current study with Lynn, and Phillip Ackerman. Irwin said in this earlier study that "[a]ny piece of research on sex difference has to be placed in an overall context." Irwing is a psychology professor at the University of Ulster.

"In the real world, women are increasingly outperforming men. They definitely outperform men at university ... What one has to say then, is that if women are doing better in the real world, why then aren't they doing better on these tests?"

The article continues: "In the history of these kinds of tests, women have never fared well, but that has usually been attributed to a male bias in questions or format. Men typically did better than women in the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale of the 1950s, the granddaddy of these tests, but that test was a short one and so raised the possibility that the small selection of questions chosen just happened to favour male interests."

Posted on August 26, 2005 at 02:58 PM | Permalink

Comments

As a male member of the human race I can guarantee that on average men appear to be far less intelligent. On the other hand, I'm sure there are a few non-intelligent women... WOW, what a brain fart... is it possible... can it be... why yes... it looks a lot like the answer is there sre good and bad in both genders... maybe we're just plain equal!

Think I can get peeps to buy into that? :)

Posted by: The Count at Aug 26, 2005 3:54:08 PM

You do know that peeps are only good when theyr'e stale? ;)

I think quite a bit of it gets down to individual differences. Plus it's long been shown that IQ tests, especially the older ones, tend to favor white men anyway. The only thing the "study" proves is that men know how to take tests.

Posted by: The Countess at Aug 26, 2005 4:00:57 PM

G-d bless stale peeps!

I think they intentionally kept men like W away from this test and encouraged the Schaflyite Pearls & Pumps set to take it.

Posted by: ol cranky at Aug 26, 2005 5:41:50 PM

Is The Count your husband Countess? OR an imposter.

Posted by: NYMOM at Aug 26, 2005 7:20:14 PM

All the studies that show men are "smarter" show that more men than women score at the very highest end of the tests. But they also show that way more men than women score at the very lowest end of the scale. So why do we get to be represented by the tiny minority that's "smarter" than everybody, including just about every other male in the world---by comparison to our best minds the rest of us are morons---instead of the much larger minority of us who are "dumber" than everybody. Neither group is representative. Most of us, male and female, fall in the middle of the scale and we should all feel fairly modest about that.

Posted by: Lance Mannion at Aug 26, 2005 8:16:56 PM

The Count who posted is my husband, NYMOM. He was commenting while I was sitting next to him.

Posted by: The Countess at Aug 26, 2005 8:25:06 PM

For every 11 genius men there is 1 woman.

I believe it. That explains why man went to the moon and women haven't.

Just look at the total of inventions about 6 million are from men and about maybe under 100 are from women. That has a measure of smarts also. Who learned to fly, who learned to build bridges, buildings etc. It wasn't the ladies fellas. Who wrote the books we study, men. With regards to womens study sexist hate speech courses. Who learned to do stupid things like jump out of airplanes, climb to the top of Mt. Everest.

Who invented cars, trains arilines, submarines, ships, war ships, tanks, space rockets, telephone, electric wires, dish washer, wash machies, ashpalt, concrete, dish soap, bras and tampons.

Don't kid yourself its a mans world. TVs, VCRs, cell phones, football, basketball etc...It would take a non genius to not notice these things...

99% of the time a woman is following up somthing we men have already done. I like it, I think its cute. Shhh don't let the ladies know that being female is cool and sexy. They might freak out and cut their hair even shorter!!!

Now days women have worked outside the home this is very clear by the amount of criminals we have roaming the streets.

So if a woman thinks that material wealth, she earns, would make her more happy than marrying a loving husband, than she should stay single with her twelve cats.


So you may not like my freedom of speech, the feminists haven't taken away that liberty yet as far as I can tell.

Posted by: Verlch at Aug 27, 2005 12:45:20 AM

I too thought phrenology was rather outdated.

I think the pertinent question is... why would anyone be so hot to come up with a definitive "this gender is smarter than the other gender"? Like I question the motives of these so-called studies. What do they hope would happen if it were somehow true & proven that one gender was smarter than the other? I'm assuming they wouldn't consider "phasing out" the less smart gender. haha. But you know, I can't help thinking there's some agenda there.

Because does it really benefit anyone to know which gender is overall more likely to do better on some tests?

And as far as "phasing out" whole peoples. Even if there are people who are "less intelligent"... why do some people think we don't need "less intelligent" people in the world?

I'd like to see some of these people live without a garbage collector, sitting in a heap of their own filthy rubbish, for instance.

I'm not saying all trash collectors are stupid or anything, because I'm sure there's plenty of reasons some people get jobs doing it, besides lack of ability to do another job that requires more skill, education or cleverness, or whatever.

My point is... Intelligence doesn't even equal importance, in the grand scheme of things.

My cat could never win an award for physics research, but she means a lot to me.

So what even if one race does better in some things than another, or if one gender has better smarts about something or other. Does it even matter?

Surely there are better things to spend time & research funds on... Like something that would actually benefit something somewhere.
Trying to argue about who's smarter, boys or girls, is something I think people should grow out of by the time they're 12, and in maturity move onto more intelligent debates. haha.

Posted by: Chloe at Aug 27, 2005 1:09:42 AM

I believe it. That explains why man went to the moon and women haven't.

Verlch, if I taped up your mouth with duct tape, you would be dumb. And I could yell at you that you're a moron because you never say anything, I suppose.
hahaha!!!

Posted by: Chloe at Aug 27, 2005 1:12:50 AM

Count: There are more than just a few dumb women; if there weren't, Oprah would still be doing the weather. Of course, if all that men ever choose to reveal of themselves is a belch and wondering aloud about the Red Sox chances, I can't blame anyone for thinking they're less intelligent.
Chloe: Right first time. Whaddya know, someone with the courage to ask "who the hell cares, anyway?"
Countess: I just love these "Bell Curve" types. Unlike their comrade-in-eugenics Margaret Sanger, they can't even advocate for something useful.

Posted by: DP_in_SF at Aug 27, 2005 2:49:47 PM

Hey, DP, I was living in Baltimore when Oprah was on TV there, before she hit the big time. I watched her. Can't remember if she did weather, though. I remember one of the ads when she first came on. "What is an Oprah"? Everyone first thought her name was "okra". ;)

Posted by: The Countess at Aug 27, 2005 3:02:08 PM

pete kaplan wrote:
"Greetings,
who decided that it's so important to know who's more intelligent, men or women? Men or women? I rest my case!"

Hmm, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. If you are implying that it is women who wanted to know who is more intelligent, then it's a stupid question since the article spells it out. So the assumption for this would be you're not intelligent enough to read or follow a link. Otherwise, it is a stupid question since it makes no other sense and that would demonstrate you are not intelligent enough to phrase a question.

Sounds fair to me.

Posted by: The Count at Aug 27, 2005 3:09:49 PM

"That explains why man went to the moon and women haven't."

That's an easy question to answer. Because they were too selfish to take us when they went. As in most of these situations (like going out for ice cream or to rent videos) where they'll frequently bogart the keys to the transportation and you don't even know they left until after they've come back.

The ice cream has been eaten and they've rented some incredibly boring sports or war movie video...like The World at War (the 2005th edition).

Yawn...

So that's why women never got to go.

LOL...hope this explains it adequately.

Posted by: NYMOM at Aug 27, 2005 9:03:15 PM

"The Count who posted is my husband, NYMOM. He was commenting while I was sitting next to him."

Just checking as you never know what prank someone will be trying to play on you posting as your husband.

Welcome Count.

Congratulations on your recent wedding and imposition of the title of Countess upon our previously untitled leaderess (if there is such a word)...

I don't know if you are aware Count of how many men from England, New Zealand and Austrialia post on here????

I wonder how your titledness will affect them, if at all.

Posted by: NYMOM at Aug 27, 2005 9:12:34 PM

Not to toot my own horn, or women's horns or whatever... But it's relevant...
I (a woman), recently won a "grand prize" for one of the 3 most clever questions asked for the NASA - STS-114: Mission Webcast.
AND the STS-114 mission was led by a FEMALE commander.

Watermelon Punch, the Blog - 30 Jul 2005 | A NASA STS-114 Mission Webcast Q&A Grand Prize winner

So let's just drop the moon shit, can we? haha!!! ;)

Posted by: Chloe at Aug 28, 2005 1:37:15 AM

Well, hello right back to you NYMOM!!! I've actually been a quiet reader for a bit and just finally started posting.

Heh, I'd hope that by now titles mean little all around the globe. In actuality, I'm only a Count on Italian soil. When I became a naturalized American citizen, I gave up all claims. However, due to peculiarities in some national laws, when on Italian soil I am still an Italian citizen, and I can continue the claim. That and nearly two bucks will buy me a cuppa coffee.

Ewwww... moon poop!

Posted by: The Count at Aug 28, 2005 3:30:31 AM

"I've actually been a quiet reader for a bit and just finally started posting."

Oh. I often wondered if you read this blog as you were mentioned by the Countess on occasion.

"Heh, I'd hope that by now titles mean little all around the globe. In actuality, I'm only a Count on Italian soil. When I became a naturalized American citizen, I gave up all claims. However, due to peculiarities in some national laws, when on Italian soil I am still an Italian citizen, and I can continue the claim."

Ummm. That's interesting because I think I read that Italy won't allow the Italian King back to visit Italy. He lives in exile somewhere. That probably means once he came back to Italy, he could be King again too.

So watch it now that you've brought attention to your title on this blog, you could be banned from Italy...

LOL...

Posted by: NYMOM at Aug 28, 2005 6:26:38 AM

Well, to keep the wheel spinning, due to the aforementioned citizenship situation; when I was in the Navy I was assigned to the USS Saratoga which made frequent visits to Italian ports. When on Italian soil I always had to carry around a document issued to me by the Italian government which exempted me from the Italian draft (Italy had a mandatory draft) so that should I come to the attention of the Polizia or Carabinieri for something I would not be also found to be a draft dodger. That had actually happened to another sailor a year or so earlier so I was aware and prepared. The other sailor was not convicted, but he did wind up spending some time in the local jail while it was getting sorted out. Potentially he may have also gotten into some hot water with the Navy for missing ship's movement... they take a very dim view of that. Not my idea of hilarity.

Posted by: The Count at Aug 28, 2005 7:26:53 AM

"The other sailor was not convicted, but he did wind up spending some time in the local jail while it was getting sorted out. Potentially he may have also gotten into some hot water with the Navy for missing ship's movement... they take a very dim view of that. Not my idea of hilarity."

Wow.

You're right, that is no joke.

I was just referring to that whole titled nobility thing. I didn't realize about the military obligation which existed as well. I guess it's easy to forget as most of my life, we haven't had a draft here, but other countries do have them, I know.

Posted by: NYMOM at Aug 28, 2005 10:27:48 AM

"In the real world, women are increasingly outperforming men. They definitely outperform men at university..."

What a joke that you would actually put that quote in this diatribe. University is nothing like the real world precisely because women seem to excel in it. It's a last hurrah for girls before the real world crushes their hopes, dreams, and feminist myths like a straw house.

What is this completely fabricated nonsense about "increasingly outperforming" anyway? Do they measure that in charity car wash proceeds?

-Dick

Posted by: Dick Masterson at Oct 10, 2005 2:04:15 PM

Not to toot my own horn, or women's horns or whatever... But it's relevant...
I (a woman), recently won a "grand prize" for one of the 3 most clever questions asked for the NASA - STS-114: Mission Webcast.
AND the STS-114 mission was led by a FEMALE commander.

Watermelon Punch, the Blog - 30 Jul 2005 | A NASA STS-114 Mission Webcast Q&A Grand Prize winner

So let's just drop the moon shit, can we? haha!!! ;)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Nahhh, whats the point of that, even if men had taken women, it was still the highest levels of men that put the whole thing together.
While we are on that subject. Who designed our tallest buildings, bridges and cars. Who built the ships that got us to America?? Or are White women just going to take all the credit once we got to the destinations.

Can a woman burn her bra and panties while still wearing them???? OR no?

Face it ladies, you really haven't done a whole lot, other than caring for the next generation of men, to get us to our current state. So why should you take all the credit???

Posted by: Verlch at Nov 11, 2005 9:00:36 PM