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September 29, 2004
So A T-Shirt That Says "Trust No Bitch" Means They Don't Hate Women?
Here's more information about the fathers' rights group Equal Rights For Divorced Fathers:
There is a t-shirt hanging on founder Ernest del Casal's office that says "Trust No Bitch." Those shirts are sold to raise money for the group. Del Casal excuses the shirt, saying "That shirt was donated. I let guys hang stuff all over. This is a clubhouse. They can hang anything they want. It's how we pay for Fathers' Day barbeque. I don't see anybody wearing it. It's a gag gift."
Female judges are "labeled by name as fat lesbians."
Female attorneys are accused of "coaxing their clients into faking injuiries so their husbands are arrested."
A joke told by del Casal: "What do you tell a wife who has two black eyes? Nothing, you told her twice already."
Another joke told by del Casal: "What do 15 battered women have in common? None of them understands the meaning of shut the blank up."
Yet another joke told by del Casal: "What does a woman do when she gets out of the battered women's shelter? The dishes, if she knows what's good for her."
No wonder courts don't refer divorcing men to this group anymore.
Posted on September 29, 2004 at 01:42 PM | Permalink
Comments
You're whining about one t-shirt. Hah. Of course, your readers will be interested to see your hypocrisy when you blamed men as a group for the "Boys are stupid" t-shirt campaign!
http://trishwilson.typepad.com/blog/2004/06/im_pissing_em_o.html
You complained about a blogger, supposedly female, who could make no sense out of one of your typical, incoherent rants. You used that blogger's comment to launch yet another example of your shitty writing as an attack on Glenn Sacks. Mr. Sacks has more integrity than a lying hypocrite like you can ever hope to have. Furthermore, Mr. Sacks' writing actually gets published by respected publications. By contrast, your shitty excuses for prose show up only here and in lunatic fringe webzines. You must be intimidated by strong men.
From your attack on Mr. Sacks, you wandered into a silly whinefest about the LaMusga court decision. All of that was an attempt to weasel out of answering the criticisms about your condoning of the "Boys are stupid' t-shirt campaign. Now you're back bitching about a t-shirt. Do you even know what irony is?
You also commented:--
I especially found the comment referring to my blog as an "echo chamber" amusing, since I know who reads my blog. It's had quite an effect on policy in my field, and I know it will continue to have such an effect as long as I keep posting on it. If my little blog was not effective it would not inspire such long, vitrolic posts.
LMAO
What 'field'? You don't even have a job and you claim to be influencing policy? Take a reality pill, you dweeb! OUtside of the web, no one has even heard of you and no one reads your drivel.
You're fucking hilarious! Thanks for the laughs!!!
Mark C.
Methinks the bitch doth protest too much!
Posted by: Mark C. at Sep 30, 2004 9:24:45 AM
Mark Mark Mark......... feel better now? That was a HUGE lot of hot air you passed. LOL
Glenn Sacks is another farter. He has a following just as del Casal had. No one credible gives any weight to Glenn Sacks and they never have and I suspect they never will. He makes money off guys like you..... but you all are too dumb to see it. :-)
del Casal is a cumbag that got caught. And rightfully so.... just wish he had been caught sooner. He made his money off of dads like you who are duped. You guys are an easy bunch... I'll say that!
You obviously haven't done your research on Trish... but I'm not going to do it for you. Suffice it to say she is well respected on the issues surrounding custody and divorce issues involving children.
FRsters like yourself keep up w/ her blog. Why is that? If you think she has no credibility.. then why do you even bother? This is her blog and you think that coming here and ranting about her makes you credible, that you are in some way discrediting her? ... that posters would give your rants any more than a good belly laugh? That is HILARIOUS... lol
Take your rant to del Casal. It wasn't one T-shirt. He made money off selling them and giving poor advice to innocent dads. He claims he "counseled" on the average of 30 dads a day. @@ Poor guys got snookered big time. They would have been far better off coming here and reading FREE information and making their own decisions. Even if they didn't agree they weren't out any money. LOL
Now someone tell me why I bothered to respond to Mark? LOL
Posted by: chief at Sep 30, 2004 9:54:12 AM
You obviously haven't done your research on Trish...
What research? There's nothing to research. She laughs at battered men, lies, defames people, and disparages dogs. What's to research?
but I'm not going to do it for you.
Good!!! I wouldn't want any research from you anymore than I'd want any research from Trish Wilson. Have you read any of her supposed research and writing? Trish hates men and all her writing is shit.
Suffice it to say she is well respected on the issues surrounding custody and divorce issues involving children.
What happens when she stops looking in the mirror?
Who are these people who supposedly 'respect' her? That's the best laugh I've had all month!!!!!!
Mark C.
Posted by: Mark C. at Sep 30, 2004 10:22:58 AM
What research? There's nothing to research. She laughs at battered men, lies, defames people, and disparages dogs. What's to research?
And what did you just do? Do you not research ANYTHING you read and just take it as "gospel" ... LOOK things up.... you might actually LEARN something......
Good!!! I wouldn't want any research from you anymore than I'd want any research from Trish Wilson. Have you read any of her supposed research and writing? Trish hates men and all her writing is shit.
Then move along ... I didn't offer to educate you...... lol wouldn't waste my time. LOL I will discuss topics.... after you educate yourself. Until then.. your just good for fun....... something to pass time with. :-) I'm bored .... you're entertaining me... so I guess you are worth something. :-) And Yes, I have read a good deal of her writings as well as others including Glenn Sacks and others. I don't find her writings "shit" or that she "hates" men. I do find that she is extremely knowledgeable and factual... about many issues. I don't take what she writes as gospel. I research things on my own as well. However, you lose all YOUR credibility and to be taken seriously when you rant and rave about HER.... and not the issue. Can't you see that?
What happens when she stops looking in the mirror?
Who are these people who supposedly 'respect' her? That's the best laugh I've had all month!!!!!!
Look it up! I told you I wasn't going to educate you. It's easy to find out.... VERY easy..... LOL However, you won't do it..... because you aren't interested.
Here's a tip.... how did you find her blog.. or her writings? THINK about it.... HARD.
Now. want to talk about the Topic? Do you think this del Casal is worthy of your respect and admiration? Should he be "counseling" and "advising" dads? Do you think he is anti-mom?
Posted by: chief at Sep 30, 2004 11:24:06 AM
Man, he posted a couple of long, vitriolic posts, didn't he? ;P
Posted by: Moi ;) at Sep 30, 2004 12:22:16 PM
Should radical feminists be ignored because they say stupid things like "all male initiated sex is rape"? Should they be allowed to counsel rape victims?
Should a Supreme Court Justice that hangs around with well-to-do, influential citizens and not recuse themselves? Didn't know I was talking about Ginsburg and NOW di'ja?
Ernest del Casal may be eccentric in his methods, but he provides a needed service to men without choice, and non-custodial fathers. If a scab-father* gets through, it's a small price to pay. If a feminst gets her nose out of joint, so much the better. What goes around comes around.
He's a hero in my book, however colorful his methods. He will survive.
Posted by: TonySprout at Sep 30, 2004 1:13:51 PM
Moi,
Don't post big words... it confuses them. And we know how they don't use dictionaries and hate research. LOL
Posted by: chief at Sep 30, 2004 1:15:42 PM
Ernest del Casal may be eccentric in his methods, but he provides a needed service to men without choice, and non-custodial fathers. If a scab-father* gets through, it's a small price to pay. If a feminst gets her nose out of joint, so much the better. What goes around comes around.
ROFL... you are just too cute Tony! Bet you hear that ALL the time don't ya? You sweet talking devil you!
If a scab-farter gets though another child is harmed... and that is a HUGE price to pay for them. But of course, they don't care about children so.. that makes sense you would see no potential harm now doesn't it. At least you are logical.
He's a hero in my book, however colorful his methods. He will survive.
Of course he is a "hero" to you. Got your Batman costume ready? Now be careful w/ that outfit. Invest in some socks if necessary.... and I do believe it will be necessary... :-)
He will not survive.. you and I both know it also! he's been exposed and thank the media for that one! When is your next meeting w/ del Casal?
Posted by: chief at Sep 30, 2004 1:27:21 PM
What's your problem Chief? In-The-Closet gay? Are you ashamed of it? Nothing to be ashamed of in this day and age. I can only assume you have a rectal fetish from all of your references to flatulence.
Posted by: TonySprout at Sep 30, 2004 2:20:37 PM
What's your problem Chief? In-The-Closet gay? Are you ashamed of it? Nothing to be ashamed of in this day and age. I can only assume you have a rectal fetish from all of your references to flatulence.
ROFL...... You provide me w/ such entertainment! This is great! LOL
Tony Tony Tony....... even you agree that there is a difference between a farter and a father. See, we do agree on at least one thing. :-) I have no use for farters...... don't know of any good reason to. Now, I will support a GOOD FATHER any time and any day. But you already knew that --
However, would you please clarify your definition of a farter? Just so I know we are in full agreement?
I highly recommend the new "OUST'..... it is highly effective.
Posted by: chief at Sep 30, 2004 2:34:38 PM
Boy, these trolls you get are great examples of how people can't forgive those they've hurt the most.
Posted by: Amanda at Sep 30, 2004 2:41:27 PM
Tony and Mark:
You two are so generous! You could have selfishly used logic, reason, and research to refute Trish's points and make your side look reasonable. Most people do that, but you two aren't most people! Instead, you kindly chose to indulge in an online temper-tantrum and make Trish good in comparison.
As a reward, I will send you each a pacifier in the color of your choice, a sippy cup, and some Xanax.
Posted by: Sheelzebub at Sep 30, 2004 3:53:16 PM
Sheelzebub I agree with you but I think you are far too generous. I would have given them a sippy cup and that's all. Would have kept their hands busy and their mouth. :-)
In all seriousness though, how do they expect to receive anything other than ridiculous bantering replies to their comments? It is easy to see if they act this way IRL and in the Courtroom why they are granted little if anything. They don't need to blame the "system"..... they only need to look to themselves.
If Mark indeed holds a doctorate, his posts certainly don't reflect it. How he could possibly blame Trish for his problems is beyond me. I suspect that doctorate was obtained online. Sorry Mark. your posts reflect it.
As for Tony, he just wants to spew. That sippy cup just might satisfy him. he can drool on himself and that should keep him busy for a bit.
Act like a child, you get treated by a child -- at least from me. @@
Posted by: chief at Sep 30, 2004 4:48:53 PM
If Mark indeed holds a doctorate, his posts certainly don't reflect it.
Wow. An attempt at an insult. How incredibly...lame!
How he could possibly blame Trish for his problems is beyond me.
Where did I blame Trish for my problems? Where?
I suspect that doctorate was obtained online.
Of course you would be wrong, but who cares, really?
Sorry Mark. your posts reflect it.
Perhaps to a dolt like you.
As for Tony, he just wants to spew. That sippy cup just might satisfy him. he can drool on himself and that should keep him busy for a bit.
So much for discussing the issue, eh, hypocrite?
Act like a child, you get treated by a child -- at least from me.
Many men are proud of the child within.
Mark C.
Posted by: Mark C. at Sep 30, 2004 5:32:51 PM
mark,
I just gave Tony a chance. I'll do the same for you.
You want to respectfully discuss the issues... I'll be more than happy to do so. I can give give as good as I get. We can throw the bash's around and not accomplish a thing..... except pure entertainment for me.:-) There's not a thing anyone can say to me that would get me upset. I just enjoy it for the entertainment factor that it is.
You posted on this issue first w/ nothing more than bashing. You said NOTHING in defense of your position.. which I will assume is that you support Mr. del Casal. Maybe it's not. However, if you had read the links, you would have seen Mr. del Casal sold more than one T-shirt. :-)
The fact he sold 1 is enough for me to question him. The fact he keeps it in FULL view of those he counsel and advises, is troubling. Wouldn't you agree? The fact that he advises and counsels INNOCENT dads.... even 1 knowing what we know have found is abhorrent.
Now. care to respectfully discuss this? The choice is yours.... :-)
Posted by: chief at Sep 30, 2004 6:11:42 PM
**If Mark indeed holds a doctorate, his posts certainly don't reflect it. How he could possibly blame Trish for his problems is beyond me. I suspect that doctorate was obtained online. Sorry Mark. your posts reflect it.**
Well -- you know he could have created his own pseudo-doctorate. Little gold foil and glue -- I'm sure it's quite pretty in it's frame.
Anyone who could possibly support Del Casal needs what brains they possibly possess examined. The man fully supported domestic violence. His attitudes and actions only served to incite already contentious situations. I would be interested in how many of his "clients" had records involving domestic abuse and how many of those offenses transpired after becoming involved with the wing-nut farter's fights whack-o.
Posted by: Teach at Sep 30, 2004 9:13:52 PM
Hey, they didn't say "trust no women"--just "trust no bitches". If all women are bitches, I suppose that's not their fault, is it?
Posted by: Amanda at Sep 30, 2004 11:10:36 PM
Mark... exactly six seconds of work on Google to find out what Trish's credentials and other work might be produces this:
http://www.expositorymagazine.net/2004/trish.php
And I havn't even *finished* my doctorate yet. Guess those research skills classes paid off.
Posted by: Steve at Oct 3, 2004 7:35:25 AM
wow. i can't believe it took me this long to notice this thread. this mark guy looks like a lot of laughs. i wish he said something substantive to i could have a fun argument with him.
Posted by: upyernoz at Oct 3, 2004 10:54:00 AM
I've had some real knuckleheads comment recently, Noz. Traffic tends to die down for me on the weekends. Check on Monday. He might be back. I'll have a bucket of spitballs at the door waiting for you so you can have some fun. ;)
Posted by: Trish Wilson at Oct 3, 2004 11:13:57 AM
Trish Wilson is a known and respected advocate for women and children.
I'm not going to get into a debate about her credentials. :-)
I would however, say this.... if one were to go back and read her early articles -- one can easily see that her foresight was "dead on" in terms of trends and in exposing the underlying agendas regarding FR groups and welfare reform. She has been reading and researching on the issues of custody, support, etc. for greater than ten years I think.
I sincerely doubt that any of us who post here have that kind of experience and knowledge. While you may not agree with her opinions, you cannot successfully argue that she is erroneous. History will not bear you out. That is one of the reasons the vitriolic posts appear. They know she is correct.. so they attack her -- an attempt to "kill the messenger" LOLOL :-)
Ok.... I'll stop. Although I could say a GREAT deal more. This isn't on topic. :-P
Posted by: chief at Oct 3, 2004 12:04:40 PM
Chief, those big words....
BTW it's really easy to get a doctorate these days. Even online..... It's even easier to Hold a doctorate (someone else's, that is)......
Posted by: Moi ;) at Oct 3, 2004 1:39:53 PM
Hey, chief, thanks for the kind words. They mean a lot to me. :D
Posted by: Trish Wilson at Oct 3, 2004 5:47:36 PM
(1) There is a problem that some men do have with custody battles when their partner abuses or games the system. I saw it when a co-worker's boyfriend was continually shut off from his children and when he complained she brought a complaint against him for failure to pay child support. It turned out he was paying more than the decree requried, yet he had to pay more in order to settle the complaint.
(2) This problem is very small when compared with the problem of men not paying child support. (Some non-custodial mothers also don't pay.)
(3) Both issues need to be addressed.
(4) People often take out their own personal relationship-based problems in forums like this. This does not facilitate debate.
Posted by: Rob W at Oct 5, 2004 12:04:55 AM
Rob W, you made some good points, especially #4. But the trolls aren't interested in having a discussion...just a flame war. They are interested in insults, not issues.
Posted by: La Lubu at Oct 5, 2004 10:31:52 AM
La Lubu: You are correct. I've posted to Mark, Gary and Tony ... they have yet to respond. That pretty much proves it.... doesn't it?
Posted by: chief at Oct 5, 2004 1:02:18 PM
And my trolls are a breed apart, aren't they? ;)
Posted by: Trish Wilson at Oct 5, 2004 1:04:05 PM
This blog is a prime example of women with hate.
Posted by: N8 at Oct 27, 2004 4:15:20 PM
Criticism of the FR movement = hate
Selling "Trust No Bitch" T-shirts = reasonable
Just as long as we're clear, N8.
Hope you don't wear the T-shirt around your daughter, if you have one.
Posted by: Sheelzebub at Oct 27, 2004 4:32:01 PM
I'm putting a curse on you Tony Sprout for your hatefull rants against women and your laughing at Ernest del Casal for being 'eccentric' as you call him...
I think I heard you say you have a daughter...
Well when she's 18, she's going to marry a man just like Ernest del Casel...I hope you are very amused by this behavior towards women THEN...
Let's see how funny he is THEN...
Posted by: NYMOM at Oct 28, 2004 12:14:13 PM
Steve: Trish has been involved in issues regarding children and custody for years and no one has ever questioned her sincerity or knowledge of the issues at stake...If by credentials you mean knowledge of a subject, she has them, if you mean pieces of paper that you can wave around while knowing NOTHING about what's really going on, well I can name you a thousand people who fall under that category...
If you wish to discuss and disagree with someone do so...but quit trying to discredit a person who has a lot more knowledge on these issues then you appear too...I think you are just jealous of her and her blog...
When will men stop being jealous of everything women do...it's sad really...First, they want to be mothers; now this envy of a woman who writes well and appears to have her finger on the pulse of these crazed fathers rights nuts...
Sad...
Posted by: NYMOM at Oct 28, 2004 12:24:12 PM
